Net Language - Should we abandon punctuation all together?

September 12, 2008 4:42am CST
"English spelling should be freed up to let people spell logically with text messaging and e-mail language becoming the 'way forward' , a leading academic believes. Irregular spellings hold children back and should be scrapped, said John Wells, a retired proffesor of phonetics at University College, London. He will tell the Spelling Society tommorrow that it should be correct for 'you' to be spelt 'u', 'you're' as 'ur' and 'who's' as 'whos'. He will say:"text messaging, e-mail and internet chat rooms show us the way forward. Let's allow spelling to develop to reflect the times in which we live." METRO UK Tue,SEPT 9/08 I read this in the Metro a couple of days ago an remember that someone had a post about being insulted because of their spelling mistakes.. So wht r ur thoughts?
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@owlwings (43915)
• Cambridge, England
16 Sep 08
[i]"The European Commission have just announced an agreement whereby English will be the official language of the EU, rather than German, which was the other possibility. As part of the negotiations, Her Majesty's government conceded that English spelling had some room for improvement and has accepted a five year phase in plan that would be known as "EuroEnglish". In the first year, "s" will replace the soft "c". Sertainly, this will make the sivil servants jump for joy. The hard "c" will be dropped in favour of the "k". This should klear up konfusion and keyboards kan have 1 less letter. There will be growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year, when the troublesome "ph" will be replaced with the "f". This will make words like "fotograf" 20% shorter. In the third year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be expekted to reach the stage where more komplikated changes are possible. Governments will enkorage the removal of double letters, which have always ben a deterent to akurate speling. Also, al wil agre that the horible mes of the silent "e"s in the language is disgraseful, and they should go away. By the 4th year, peopl wil be reseptiv to steps such as replasing "th" with "z" and "w" with "v". During ze fifz year, ze unesesary "o" kan be dropd from vords kontaining "ou" and similar changes vud of kors be aplid to ozer kombinations of leters. After zis fifz year, ve vil hav a realy sensibl riten styl. Zer vil be no mor trubls or difikultis and evrivun vil find it ezi to understand each ozer ZE DREAM VIL FINALI KUM TRU!" [/i] This was always one of my favourite 'joke' anouncements. I don't agree, however, with using txtspk in normal communication. It is, perhaps, appropriate in the SMS environment, where one only has 160 characters in which to say what you want to say. If you choose to use such abbreviations in note-taking, that is fine too. In a forum like this or in a written term-paper or exam, they actually make the text less readable and can lead to confusion and irritation in the reader. It also indicates to most people that the writer is lazy and uneducated.
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16 Sep 08
That is absolute class Owlwings! I'm not quite sure where I stand,but a good foundation in english is a good starting point.
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27 Oct 08
I've been thinking about this a lot more, and text-speak, net speak etc will continue to grow and adapt,but icons,emoticons,smileys etc will add the extra emphasis and emotional subtext. we could end up going backward and using hieroglyphics LOL
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@owlwings (43915)
• Cambridge, England
27 Oct 08
Since you started the discussion, I too have been more aware of the way I communicate online and in emails. Already, most of us speak differently to the way we write. Where we still tend to write words in full, the way we actually say them leaves a lot of information out and has always done so. I think that most people would be aware of the need to speak differently depending on whether we are giving a formal speech or a lecture or speaking colloquially with a group of friends. We say "Gotta go now." instead of "I've got to go now" (and, of course, elide words like 'I have' and 'do not', even to the extent of pronouncing them substantially differently. All languages do this to the extent that we no longer pronounce them the way they are written (this is why English has such fearsome spelling 'rules' - why we pronounce 'ough' in so many different ways, for example). In txtspk, the need is really to rationalise and reduce the number of characters and still be comprehensible because an SMS message can only have 160 characters (including spaces), so we leave out vowels, use the names of letters and numbers to represent whole syllables and reduce some words to approximately the way they sound. Essentially, to read txtspk you need to know things such as that in English the character '8' is pronounced 'ayt' not 'acht' or 'huit' or 'octo' and that 'n' or 'v' represent the most important sounds in the words 'and' and 'of'. Exactly the same principle is used in many shorthand systems (but for a different reason). Most, if not all, of the letters we use today in the Roman alphabet evolved in exactly the same way. The letter 'A', for example was once a simple picture of an ox's head because the name for an ox began with that sound. It got simplified and turned upside down (so that the horns were at the bottom) and so became the character we use today. I can see this fascinating subject turning into a book but I suppose my point is that, while there has always been a tendency for some people to shorten things there has always been a resistance against it by people who see it as 'sloppy' or 'not correct'. Both are natural and it is actually no more 'wrong' to use a convenient shorthand (in the right context) than is is to disapprove of and reject such usage when it is inappropriate.
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@smacksman (6053)
12 Sep 08
It is nice to do things properly. It is a pleasure to my ears when I hear someone speaking english beautifully and using correct language. It is a matter of art. Do we need it? Can we live without it? Sadly the answer has to be no and yes in that order. A letter can be typed on crude, re-cycled paper and the message will get through. But the same words, hand written using a fountain pen on vellum, carries more weight in my view. Let us try to keep 'text-speak' for the mobile phone where it makes sense.
12 Sep 08
Hi smacksman! ahh good point... but art is form over function, so it could be just the asthetic of text speak that you dont like? I personally dont like text speak but it is useful. I think if we wholeheartedly adopt net-speak, thousands of poets and writers like Wilde, Chaucer, Tenneson, Frost and Yeats will be spinning in their graves that fast you could use them as dynamos LOL.
@urbandekay (18278)
25 Oct 08
Smaksman, 'english' or 'English?' all the best urban
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@urbandekay (18278)
25 Oct 08
Jimbo, 'Aesthetic.' All the best urban
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@thinksf (152)
• United States
12 Sep 08
While I agree with evolving to reflect the times, as someone with a degree in English I absolutely cannot STAND "text spelling!" I still use proper grammar, even over e-mail and texts, and become annoyed when others don't. While I admit I have typed "ur/urs" before to save time in a long text, it is not something I constantly do. I think language should change to accommodate and reflect the times, but spelling should remain a consistent foundation.
12 Sep 08
Hi thinksf! I agree that spelling should be a consistent foundation, but exceptions can be applied when personalizing, talking 'street' etc. Personally, I am terrible with punctuation and spelling. I use too many apostrophies and full stops like...... when you make a sentence 'hang'. What do you think about emoticons?