More advantageous to fight Christians.

Philippines
October 28, 2008 11:31am CST
A Muslim Lecturer came to our school to talk something about the beliefs and ways of Muslims. He said that the Muslim faith is the largest and the fastest growing religion in the world, not Catholicism. But there is something that struck me. He said that it is more advantageous and favorable to them if there are Christians around to fight. Otherwise they fight among themselves. They fight their own Muslim brothers: Sunni versus Shiite. They unite and join as one against Christians. But among themselves they fight to the end for their beliefs and aspirations in the absence of Christians. I am not trying to attack our Muslim brothers here. I just want to confirm if this is true. I just want to prove if the information given by the Muslim Lecturer captured the totality of the views of his fellow Muslims. If this is true, does it mean that Muslims view non-Muslims as enemies? Anyone out there, kindly enlighten me.
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@lieanat (1140)
• Malaysia
29 Oct 08
Hi, As far as I concern, every religion has their own extremist. I guess your lecturer is one of them. There are good people in each religion too that you can't tag them as evil or enemy just because of their faith. Unless you find any extreme action done by your Muslim brothers, otherwise they will be your good friends too.
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• Philippines
31 Oct 08
hi. Yeah I agree with you. Like the golden rule, Do not do unto others what you would not like others do unto you. I do not want anybody to judge me or look down upon me by reason of my religious beliefs or aspirations so I wont do it to them either. Thanks for responding.
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@redhotpogo (3935)
• United States
28 Oct 08
wow. I wonder what kind of agenda your school has to let someone like that speak at your school. Its like they're trying to promote terrorism. That guy should have never been allowed to speak at that school, and that school should be fined. Someone that will attack someone just because they have different beliefs is evil.
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• Philippines
31 Oct 08
hi. Well he was just invited by our teacher for our particular subject. He spoke only to our class and not to the entire assembly of students. One thing before he lectured, he and his 2 male companions prayed with their carpet. My classmates watched them but I did not. I give due regard to a person praying that it would be disrespectful to watch them while doing it so I never laid my eyes on them. Not even a glance. Thanks for responding.
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• Malaysia
28 Oct 08
Every religion in the world believe in doing good and be nice to all mankind. As a muslim it's true that we also sometime had this terrible 'who's-the-best' attitude in our kind. The truth is we don't tend to be enemy with other religion and people. It's had been written to stay in the community and consider others believe or religion our enemy. We alway appreciate mankind and others. We are prohibited to look onto others even thy're not muslim as enemies. We are encourage to join in make friends visit each others and live in harmony. But the misconception of these extremes thinking that only their's is the best ruined the perception of people towards us. If you choice to be a non-muslim then its okay with us as long as we create a peaceful life together.
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• Philippines
31 Oct 08
hi. That is what I thought too. I did not believe the Lecturer because though some are 'extremists' in their beliefs, there are also who try their very best to live and be in peaceful co-existence with other people and that includes Non-Muslims. Thanks for responding.
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• United States
28 Oct 08
lol not true Jayara, Though I agree many fights start among christain brothers as well, my church is working to be united, this saturday some from our group are heading to a messianic jewish church, I'm thinking about going...could be quite an experience, and In the past we have teamed with another church for a couple different events, But I also agree there are many politics going on in the church as well, like in my own, I see many people with different beliefs coming in under one flag and having a class together, but sometimes that can be quite difficult, I mean what do you expect to happen when the teacher has a different belief from 1/3 of the class and another 1/3 agrees and another 1/3 stands silent, just watching... I recently left my youth group because I couldnt handle anymore. so I joined the adults class, and am now much happier... (even If I do feel just a bit out of place) so yes, even though I'm not muslim, I can say for the christains, we probably wouldnt be kicking and punching each other, but if there were no other religions but christianity, we would be very divided, fighting over Gods word, and what it means. Kinda sad if you think about it... To end this is a quote my brother got from somewhere that he gave me. : All wars are civil wars, because all men are brothers.
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• Philippines
31 Oct 08
hi. With all due respect, I hope you reconsider your decision of leaving your youth group. They need you there. There must be a reason why you were placed therein because you have a part to fulfill. It is like planting a mango tree at the backyard and expect some fruits at the front yard. If you are placed at the youth group, you will bear fruit therein. It is just a suggestion. You still have your own choice. Thanks for responding.
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@tdavis (117)
• United States
28 Oct 08
What school do you go to? As far as your question, I am not an expert on the Muslim faith, but it is simular to other faiths. different groups get different meanings from the same material. Your hard core or Terrorist type Muslims believe that their religious text mandates that they convert people to their faith, or they kill them. There is no middle ground, in christianity there is a passage that say's, man can only kill your body, but sin can kill your soul, or words to that effect. Take that and another phrase, it is better to die and save your soul than to live and lose it. These things taken by the right person could lead them to the conclusion that it is better to kill someone to save their soul than to let them turn away from God and condem their soul. This is what has happened to the Muslim faith, a small radical group, through fear and intimidation force people to adhear to their views. Also the old saying the enemy of my enemy is my friend. But after the enemy is defeated they again become enemies. I hope this is understandable.
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• Philippines
31 Oct 08
Hi. Yeah, same source or material but different interpretation. That is why conflicts arise. But to keep someone from turning to the right or to the left, one should have a strong foundation on his faith. No matter what comes on his way, if he is firmly anchored to what he believes in, he will not be shaken. But we should also take into consideration the beliefs of others. If they choose this, then we should respect it. Not that we will insist what we want and lead to useless battles or waste of life or unending bloodshed. Thank you for the insights and the lively response.
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@jayarajgr (818)
• India
28 Oct 08
In fact all religions have this problem of infighting within them. It all started from those past where color and social hierarchy played significant role in the society. It created different groups and now each fight with one another. The problem with muslims is that such fights are quite visible, whereas in many other religions the fights easy to observe, but doesn't mean that its not there. Unfortunatley none of our religions today teach us to treat others alike, especially people from other religion. Instead each one imparts hatred for others and thats the root cause of all problems today.
@tdavis (117)
• United States
28 Oct 08
Christianity has never taught hatred, however it did teach some other things. Like, a form of socialism, where the community all worked to gather and all food was shared, but again if a person didn't work they did not eat. Also it teaches that a sin of one kind is not greater than any other, with one exception. Failure to believe is the only sin that can not be forgiven. They also teach that if a brother(a believer) is sinning he is to be told of the sin and directed to correct himself. If he refuses the Church (a group of believers) are to remove him from their group, with the desired effect that he will see his sin and correct it, if not they do not associate with him. They also teach to hate the sin, but not the sinner. As far as non believers, they are to be treated with respect and kindness. Remember, be nice to your enemies and heep burning coals upon their head. Not litureley, but due to your action of kindness it will torment the enemy more than verbal or physical actions, as that is what they expect and know how to deal with it. Also Jesus said he did not come to unite families but to tear them apart. Meaning if a son was a believer and the Father was not, the son was not to associate with him. Again disassociation with love and understanding not hate.
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• India
31 Oct 08
Hi I'm not a muslim. But I have few good friends who are muslims. So, I have learned from them a lot about Muslim religion. Like other religion, muslim religion too advocate brotherhood. But the problem with the muslims are that they have huge dependence on their priests. And most of these priests falsely advocated hatred. They misguide the people and incite violence in order to establish their control over the community. Well, in muslim religion, an enemy is an enemy to mankind. The definition of enemy doesn't mean that all other than a particular group of muslims are enemy to mankind. Unfortunately priests to satisfy their own vasted interest target different religions as the enemy to mankind. More muslims are now trying to come out of the grip of such priests (Maulavi). Even these moderate group ara also targetted by the dogmatic priests as enemy. Misguided muslim people attack who is non muslim. My intention certainly not to hurt anyone's sentiment or belief. But unfortunately the largest growing religion has become a terror for people of other religion. This is what actual muslim religion doesn't advocate.
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@ronaldinu (12454)
• Malta
28 Oct 08
I hope that your saying is not the case. In every religion there is various theological differences between a group and another. One can remember the difference between Catholics and Protestans that lead to violence in Ireland. Yes rivalry exists between Sunni versus Shiite fromw aht I have learned over theological difference. I think we should cherish diversity.
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@murderistic (2280)
• United States
9 Nov 08
I am a Christian (Mennonite, to be exact) and my husband is a Sunni Muslim, from a Muslim country (Morocco). His family and all of his friends that are Muslim, and all of the Arab muslims that I know for that matter, have no desire to "fight" against Christians. They have a desire to have peace with Christians. I mean, they wish that I would convert to Islam because they want me to be saved, but then again, Christians do the same thing with Muslims. So other than that, no, I don't think that it is favorable for Muslims to fight against Christians. There are Muslim extremists who fight against secularism in the Christian name, but most of them aren't fighting Christianity in itself. Christianity is looked upon as the most honorable religion below Islam. People need to realize that. 9/11 was not an attack on Christians, it was an attack on America. Muslims don't hate Jesus - Jesus is a great prophet in Islam! Of course there will always be Christians who hate Muslims and there will always be Muslims who hate Christians, and that will bring about fighting, that is just our nature. However, it is very wrong to make generalized statements about ALL Muslims and ALL Christians.