Church Attacked

United States
November 13, 2008 5:39pm CST
I got an e-mail forward I just couldn't believe. I did some research and found out it was true. I'm adding a link to the news story at the bottom of this post so you can see why I am so outraged. When a black church burns down we get endless stories about the racists who destroyed it days before there is even an official cause released for the fire. We have told our children about civil disobedience and the schools have got the convinced that anything is acceptable if it is done for the right cause. I agree with disobeying unjust and unconstitutional laws and rules. When an assistant principle threatened to suspend me for reading my bible, silently and to myself, in the lunchroom I told him to give it his best shot. When people refused to return slaves to captivity despite a legal requirement to do so they were right. When folks pushed integration by getting blacks into the lunch counter, the front of the bus, and better schools they were acting for a good cause. When hoodlums disrupt a church to advertise their agenda, when anti-war activists protest the funeral of a fallen soldier, when protesters throw blood, paint, and sewage at people attending a convention, activists burn cars, and picketers prevent people from getting to work, a store, a clinic or other legal public function because they disagree with it that is no better than the Ku-Klux-Klan. Their actions are criminal and worthy of nothing but contempt and the people themselves are nothing more than a criminal gang of thugs who should be treated as such. Please read this story and tell me what you think of this scum. http://www.lansingcitypulse.com/lansing/article-2302-gay-anarchist-action-hits-church.html The fact that this isn't covered in every news broadcast for the past 2 days tells you exactly what the main stream media thinks of the situation.
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@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
14 Nov 08
This is not the only information that was silenced. Here are two more articles. I do not know if the first one is about this article or not. But I was trying to find it by searching and I could not find any until I went on Lifesite and Onnewsnow. You could also go to the Traditional Values site as they might have it there as well. But this is disgusting. If anti homosexuals attacked a 'gay' church, if a bunch of white supremacists attacked a black Baptist church, we would be stormed with articles inferring how evil we are because we were not born black, and how traditional families are bad for society, etc. So is it all right according to the media for homosexuals to attack churches? http://www.onenewsnow.com/Church/Default.aspx?id=315400 http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/nov/08110704.html
@cyntrow (8523)
• United States
14 Nov 08
Your first link is the exact same thing as the original post. Your second link was a legitimate and legal protest.
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@cyntrow (8523)
• United States
14 Nov 08
They did not invade the church in the second example. They held signs outside the gate. The "threats" mentioned in this biased article was regarding getting the church's tax exempt status removed due to political activism.
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• United States
14 Nov 08
The first site is another story about the same event. The second is about a similar event. There is nothing legitimate or legal about invading a church and disrupting services to protest their teaching. I don't care who is doing the protesting or what religion the church professes.
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@cyntrow (8523)
• United States
14 Nov 08
When I read this post, I thought that something violent had occurred. It didn't. This was a protest. It was an illegal protest, but a protest all the same. I'm not saying I agree with the methods, but people are angry and they are beginning to believe that remaining placid is not helping. I don't think that these sort of demonstrations help anything and in the end, can do damage to the cause. But I do understand their anger. For the record, a single incident of any kind is not going to make national news unless violence or, God forbid, loss of life occurs. If these demonstrations continue, it will make national news.
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@cyntrow (8523)
• United States
14 Nov 08
According to the article they caused a huge disturbance, and hung a banner and threw pamphlets. hanging a banner is not vandalism. Neither does it destroy property. Pulling the fire alarm is not vandalism. This was not a peaceful demonstration, by any means and I never said that it was. But it was not violent.
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@cyntrow (8523)
• United States
14 Nov 08
Oh, and I want to petition congress to do as Barruaki suggested. all marraige that is not done in a church is called civil union; complete with a certificate and all the benefits. Once it goes on to a church, it is called marraige, but there would be no discrimination.
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@Maggiepie (7816)
• United States
15 Nov 08
It's NOT a "single" incident. There have been MANY attacks, from California to New York City! The REASON YOU don't hear about them is the so-called "main stream media" DELIBERATELY IGNORE them. The religious radio stations constantly report on it, however, as do many magazines & newspapers which are NOT part of the Leftist mob, & there are so many "incidents" you'd need a small library to list them all. You need to get away from the "MSM" & find out the TRUTH. THE "MSM" WILL NOT TELL YOU THE TRUTH! Maggiepie
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@carmelanirel (20942)
• United States
14 Nov 08
I think we will see more and more of this and need to be prepared, both in the natural and supernatural..Jesus said it won't get any easier, just that He will be with us, and it will get worse as the time gets closer to His return..
• United States
14 Nov 08
Amein..:)
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• United States
14 Nov 08
When you see these signs, look up, and be prepared, for the hour is near.
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@Maggiepie (7816)
• United States
14 Nov 08
None of this is really news to me; for well over a couple of decades, at least, the militant homosexual activists have targeted churches all over, including the U.S., disrupting services, & gotten no more than a slap on the wrist fine, at most. That the media refuse to report on it is old news, too. It's who they ARE. It's what they DO. Over 20 years ago, our Bishop refused to allow some oddly-clad men into our church, refusing them Communion, as he knew they were going to steal the Bread & use it in an unholy rite. He knew because they'd done it before. Had anyone EVER dared to do what those perverted men did recently, you'd have had to use a SPONGE to get them off the floor. He simply WOULD NOT TOLERATE blasphemy or violence in our little church! Once, an insane man, with satanic strength, KICKED IN some ancient, heavy carved oak doors to break into the church, & proceeded to desecrate everything he could get his hands or other body parts on. When the Bishop entered that morning to light candles & get ready for service, he saw the maniac standing at the altar with his pants around his ankles, using a bit of cotton padding to wipe up blood streaming from his scratched chest--scratched with a thin piece of glass he'd broken from a lovely little reliquary. He'd also urinated around the church & set fire in places where lit candles already stood. He just looked at the priest & said, "This will show you you're not Christian!" The Bishop tackled him, subdued him, & called the cops. It turned out he was the son of a family who lived directly behind the church, not members, of course. The parents wailed at how "unjust" it was for us to have him arrested, saying, "Well everyone KNOWS he's not in his right mind--he's done this before!" "In that case," the Bishop said sternly, "it's high time he WAS stopped. NOW, maybe he can get the help he NEEDS!" They didn't even offer to pay for the damages. No-one could believe this family wanted to let him go free to do it AGAIN! I realize this isn't about a "gay" man, but the fact that many people refuse to fight those who attack the Church IS relative to this. If you have enemies, first, get down on your knees & fight like a MAN, & then since you live IN this world, you are totally justified in properly using the laws God gave us to FIGHT the wicked in terms they'll comprehend! Maggiepie
• United States
14 Nov 08
There is a ridiculous view that Christians don't fight injustice. It isn't biblical. The Jews fought all who came against them. The priests and Levites took up arms as militia on the sabbath to replace the guards that were taking their day of rest. The law is there to protect all people but it seems as long as the target is Christian there is no outrage. The sole exception is black churches and most of the stories about racist destruction are made up. Some are legitimate and the result of evil but many are simple race baiting by left wing groups who would immediately protest the same church if it preached the truth.
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@commanderxo (1494)
• Canada
14 Nov 08
As far as I'm concerned... hate crimes, are the purest form of insanity. cdrxo
• United States
14 Nov 08
Strangely enough, in this country, it is the church who is accused of hate speech and the hooligans are called "protestors"
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@Keola12 (799)
• United States
14 Nov 08
I agree with you. Church is a sacred place that should be respected by all. Politics have no place in any religious sanctuary. Those people in the article who set off alarms and passed out leaflets by disrupting the church service are very disrespectful and are inflicting their beliefs and rights on others whose rights they are violating, such as their right to pray in peace without having to worry about being harrassed.
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@Maggiepie (7816)
• United States
15 Nov 08
I disagree here, though I suspect this MAY be just a difference in semantics. It isn't that POLITICS aren't to be in Church, but that wickedness & disruption shouldn't be. POLITICS is just a catch-all term for how we deal with one another, writ large, & how we treat one another is what Church is ABOUT. Just my tuppence. Maggiepie
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• United States
14 Nov 08
If people didn't exercise their right to discuss politics in the church this would not be the United States of America. The revolution against Briton was started in the churches of this country where the freedoms and rights we sought were seen as God given. The bible is filled with viewpoints that apply to politics and teaching the Word makes it impossible to avoid politics. The idea that people have a right to disrupt services to express their views is in no way a part of the freedom of speech. Allowing them to get away with it is a direct violation of almost every clause in the first amendment.
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@ronaldinu (12422)
• Malta
15 Nov 08
I read the article and I think that the gay movement went a bit far here. But you cannot generalize about gays. I would refrain from using such bad terms against gays. NOt all gays are in favour of such behaviour. © ronaldinu 2008
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• United States
15 Nov 08
As I mentioned elsewhere on this thread I don't have to agree with an organization to appreciate their right to peaceably express their opinion. I disagree with the log cabin republicans, the National Organization for Women, the Humane Societies political arm and a number of other liberal groups who express their opinions and hold their protest rallies in a peaceful and lawful manner which does not infringe on the rights of others. Act Up, ELF, PETA and others who either support or defend the criminal actions of their members on behalf of their cause are, rightfully, riding near the top of the domestic terrorism watch list and deserve no more sympathy or support for their ideas that Hezbollah, Al Quieda, the IRA, the Weather Underground, or any other terrorist organization.
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@ronaldinu (12422)
• Malta
19 Dec 08
Its a sad story. Thanks for sharing this information. I hope that this gang gets what they deserve
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@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
14 Nov 08
Holy 'effin krap (no pun intended). Disgusting. Granted no one was hurt but this is beyond civil disobedience. Is there even an investigation going on? I don't know wha telse to say, the article speaks volumes.
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• United States
14 Nov 08
My point exactly. without news coverage it's hard to say what happened in the aftermath. If it hadn't been for an e-mail forward (something many of my friends and family would delete without reading) I wouldn't know about it. My first instinct was to delete this fiction because there had been nothing in the news and I didn't believe it. Something inside me said check it out and I'm glad I did. if the Talking heads won't do their job then it's up to us to get the news out.
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@lvaldean (1612)
• United States
15 Nov 08
Boy oh boy, folks have been all over the map on this one haven't they? Everywhere from there is no such thing as born homosexual, to there is no such thing as a hate crime (all crime is a hate crime). Where to start? So protest is legal. Like everything else some protest goes to far, this protest and this group went to far. Obviously. It is easy too then tar all groups seeking a voice with the same brush, but it would be wrong too do so. This group used the civil rights we all enjoy to act in bad faith and in doing so have allowed anyone with an ax to grind to point their finger and say, "see I told you that all those homosexuals were simply deviants and bad human beings". It isn't of course true. Most are just like everyone else. They put their pants on one leg at a time. They go to work each day. They pay taxes, own homes, shop at the same grocery stores. But like every fringe group out there this group gets the attention and makes everyone else look bad. We should all remember that those on the fringe do not represent the majority. As to some of the other interesting comments, well all I can say is hmmmm. No not all crimes are "hate" crimes. Hate crimes are very specific in legal terms. They carry with them specific issues usually of race. Anyone who claims that it is impossible to "know" what a perp is thinking when they commit a "hate" crime, don't bet on it. I am a victim of a racially motivated hate crime, I was shot three times in the process and nearly lost my life. I am fully aware of what they were thinking they said it out loud. Fortunately they also confessed their reasons for their acts. The basis of most crimes are not motivated by race / gender hate, it is ridiculous to believe so. The basis of hate crime legislation is to send a message to those that would cause violence based on race / religion / gender, provide prosecuters additional weapons for prosecution and punishment. Hate crime legislation does not include speech unless that speech is specifically to incite other violence against specific victims.
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@cyntrow (8523)
• United States
15 Nov 08
Hate speech is more specific than that. It does not have to incite. It has to command. For example, a year ago, at a KKK rally a trio of bigots got overzealous and went out and shot 2 black men. The man speaking at the rally were charged with hate crimes. This case was dropped because the man did not tell these idiots to kill these black men. They did it of their own volition. I'm searching for the link
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@cyntrow (8523)
• United States
15 Nov 08
With you a hundred percent. I only mentioned inciting violence, because the propoganda is that if a preacher mentions leviticus 20, he could be arrested for hate crimes. It's a lie, but it's what they use and many cannot tell the difference between truth and propoganda.
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@lvaldean (1612)
• United States
15 Nov 08
That is what I mean by "incite". The speech must be specific and intent must be clear. If it is not "specific" and "clear" it is simply speech and covered by our right to free speech. Must be protected no matter how offensive reasonable people find it. This is why we must always error on the side of caution when censure of speech is involved. This is why I was so annoyed when they took Don Imus off the air. Offensive? Yes. Annoying? Yes. But should he have been taken off the air? No.
@ShealM (388)
• Canada
14 Nov 08
First and foremost, their protest was a disgusting display of indecency. There are better ways to protest something in a peaceful manner than that. I believe in the right to peaceful protest, it's everyone's right to protest against what they view as immoral and wrong or against their rights. I don't see anything wrong with a protest and I support the ideals of Bash Back but not the presentation of their ideals. It's quite similar to the pro lifers with their big bulletin boards of aborted fetuses in the middle of a community screaming about the right to life (don't get me wrong I'm pro life for ME, but would never mock someone else who had an abortion, the emotional turmoil of aborting a baby is bad enough women who go through abortion should not be kicked while they are down). Same thoughts on PETA as well, they are evil little creatures those people in the fact that they associate violence with getting their messages across rather than peaceful demonstration and protest. I support gay rights and I think it's wrong to bash a gay person for something that is a part of who they are. Just as I support the fact that any person may believe in what they chose to believe in. It is these types of actions on all sides of these debates (the religious groups, the hardcore protesters, ect) that cause both sides to get heated and cause a bad reputation for anyone who protests for the same issues. The minority does not voice the opinions of the majority and we all need to remember that. As for Bash Back, wonderful concept just being done wrong. It's about time someone screams back at the ones screaming sin, blasphemy and wrong. I don't think they are on the same level as the KKK personally, I just think they went about protesting and distributing their ideals in the wrong fashion. It's like that old saying "you catch more flies with honey than vinegar". People turn themselves off to your thoughts when they are being forced down their throats and screamed in their faces. Not the best way to get a point across when you use aggression and violence and hateful words. That's been proven here on MyLot over and over with the heated discussions that occur in certain topic matter for quite sometime.
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• United States
14 Nov 08
I hate to admit agreeing with anything an opposition organization says but, i am in favor of organizations like the log cabin Republicans and the Humane society who express their views in legal and peaceful ways. Organizations like bash back, peta, act up and the weather underground are all on the same level. They were formed for the purpose of non peaceful demonstration and, along with the Aryan Nation, KKK, Skinheads and Black Panthers they should be treated as the terrorists they are. In point of fact every one of these organizations is on the terrorist watch lists of our federal agencies. Some simply get better press.
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• United States
14 Nov 08
I too found the email article upsetting. I hope that charges are being pressed. No reason to behave like this. What a terrible example for the youth in the Church.
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