Was this a fair sentence??? This guy's an absolute idiot!

@James72 (26790)
Australia
December 3, 2008 2:12am CST
I have just read this news article about a man that was caught after speeding at more than 200 kilometres an hour on a stolen motorcycle. And to make things even more horrific, he was under the influence of drugs at the time! Here is a link to the story: http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=678778 He has been disqualified from driving until 2028 which is very adequate in my opinion; but he has only received a maximum 2 year jail sentence with parole after 12 months! He was even on parole at the time he was caught for break and enter offences! This guy will be out in a year. Do you think this was a fair sentence for what he has been caught doing? Personally I think it's absolutely ridiculous. Surely they HAVE to be tougher on people that do things like this?
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15 responses
• Australia
3 Dec 08
We saw something about a bloke on a bike at 200 kms tonight, although that was more about the virtues of police chopper than him. Possibly the same chappie. I agree though, 5-7 sounds a far better idea, consisdering he degree of recidivism among drivers convicted of offences like this. But we get ridiculously light sentences for repeat drink driving offenders in unregistered vehicles and driving unlicensed, so why would they make an example of this one? Most of the time these days the Law is an (one of those words Mylot won't allow me to type). Lash
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
3 Dec 08
It would definitely be one and the same Lash. I picked up this article on the Australian Yahoo News site. A MINIMUM OF 5 - 7 years definitely sounds more justified to me as well, but I would hope for even longer to be honest. There is no need for me to guess the word you wished to use either and I could not agree more. It is all over the place and examples of people need to be made if they ever wish to deter behavious like this. Thanks for the response.
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@riyasam (16556)
• India
3 Dec 08
james,i have heard of shopping spree but you seem to be on posting spree. the sentence seems ridiculous to me.maybe they are just testing him as to whether he will improve,which seems unlikely as at the time of being caught,he was on parole.there might be some basis while giving these judgements otherwise it may actually encourage other offenders.
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@riyasam (16556)
• India
3 Dec 08
i thought you had posted another one eariliar this day.maybe i was wrong.excuse me i am growing old.
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
3 Dec 08
I thought you may have been growing too fast riya. No problem, I will type louder in future just to be sure you can hear me OK then.
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
3 Dec 08
Posting spree? It's just the one discussion posted today as per usual and me keeping up with the one from yesterday as well! I am having an interesting time trying to keep up and multi-task at the same time though, but hey, I'm up for it! lol. I doubt this guy will improve himself at all. Why would you when you can get off so easily for acts such as this one? He was already on parole for something else so is used to the pirson system already. It will be a walk in the park for him and then out he comes to do even more damage in the future. It's disheartening really. Precedents need to be set and this sentence was wide of the mark. Thanks for the response riya.
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@munhozmib (3837)
• Sao Paulo, Brazil
3 Dec 08
Hello, James72. I am not sure about the punishment. He won't be able to drive for a long, long time. 2028! That's way too much time! And he will already spend a whole year in a jail. He will have time enough to realize the big mistake he did. If he gets out and disrespect the rules once more, then I do believe in a harder punishment. But look again: what if he realizes that it is just a mistake and is not willing to do it anymore? He will have to wait until at least 2028. Respectfully, Munhozmib.
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@munhozmib (3837)
• Sao Paulo, Brazil
9 Dec 08
You are correct. He will not even care about his license, he will just keep on driving without any documents. I also believe it was a small punishment, seeing it like that.
@angemac23 (2003)
• Canada
3 Dec 08
He should be locked up for the rest of his life. He is a danger to society and dangerous people should be allowed to walk on the streets making everyone elses lives miserable.
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
3 Dec 08
I do think he should have been locked up for far longer than a year or so, but without knowing his history I am not sure if I can agree with life behind bars just yet to be honest! I am still so very suprised that he did not injure anyone or even himself. He is one extremely lucky person on that front, but there is no question that he deserves to be punished far more harshly than he was. Thanks for the response angemac.
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@Monkeyrose (2840)
• Canada
3 Dec 08
well I don't really know. It seems like an okay sentence to me. People can rape someone and get only 4 years... so comparatively it seems fair.
@James72 (26790)
• Australia
3 Dec 08
I guess when you look at it in this way you are right Monkeyrose. Says a lot about sentencing laws in general though doesn't it? Thanks for the response and for that new perspective.
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
3 Dec 08
I believe Canada and Australia share similar judicial structures actually. The whole process of law has become like a business really. All you need are good tactics and lawyers or lots of money and what's right or fair doesn't seem to matter. Sad on so many levels.
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• Canada
3 Dec 08
yah I know what you mean. Sentencing in general is pretty wacky. I live in Canada and from what I've heard our sentencing is less then american in general.
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• China
3 Dec 08
I think the guy only recieved 2 years jail sentencw just because he didn't cause too much direct loss.but according to his crazy action,I think his action should be forbided in some way after he was out.this forbidden should be last until he become a normal person again .
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@mtdewgurl74 (18151)
• United States
25 May 09
He endangered his and man other people's lives he shouldn't have gotten off so easy. Especially that not being his first offense. I feel that he should have his license longer maybe. But that isn't probably going to stop him from driving at all I see it all the time people driving without license. Yeah they need to be tougher. Alot tougher or people will still continue to do it. again and again that is why they are so many repeat crimes.
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@mtdewgurl74 (18151)
• United States
27 May 09
I was just thinking..if they would put any of the blame on their own shoulders if he gets out and does this again but ends up hurting or killing someone. I doubt they would.He must have had one hell of a attorney.
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
27 May 09
This is the problem, all it takes to beat the law in many instances is a damn good lawyer! I'll be absolutely amazed if this idiot doesn't commit more crimes when he's released and I can assure you that no one will accept any responsibility for that either.
@James72 (26790)
• Australia
26 May 09
True that! A repeat offender, a complete disregard for the lives of those around him..... And that's all he gets??? I reckon he'll be driving again too because this sentence certainly didn't send him any reality checks! I've often read of cases where people get off lightly like this and it just makes no sense at all. Thanks for the response Becca.
@cyberfluf (4996)
• Netherlands
28 May 09
The stupid thing about this is that if he hasn't hurt anyone while speeding on the stolen motorcycle, his punishment is a whole lot lighter. The fact that he could have killed numerous people by engaging in such a serious act doesn't seem to count, or at least not enough in my opinion. Disqualifying him from driving is a good thing but I am not sure if it will work as stealing a vehicle doesn't seem to hold him back from driving either. The fact that he was on parole makes the whole case that much weirder... welcome to the legal system .
@James72 (26790)
• Australia
28 May 09
And it SHOULD count, I agree totally. Just because he didn't hurt anyone shouldn't be considered at all. If anything, he was LUCKY and that's it. He's already shown that taking away his licence isn't going to stop him; and now that he's received such a light sentence, there's been no message sent to him at all. He'll more than likely reoffend, I'd put money on it. Justice is blind should maybe be changed to "Justice defies logic" instead. lol. Thanks for the response cyberfluf.
@suruchi86 (1873)
• India
24 May 09
No, such people deserve more punishment.
@James72 (26790)
• Australia
24 May 09
I couldn't agree more suruchi. Sentencing can be an absolute joke at times and often defies logic. Thanks for the response.
@hiddenwing (3719)
• China
29 May 09
Oh, apparently, the law should be more strict! It is just weird that some people can still buy their way out of anything in some country if they are rich enough! Someone just backed him up for something, I guess! Don't bother worrying about this! These guys are just like mosquitoes! It is impossible that all of them are well captured.
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
29 May 09
The law should at least be more strict in terms of acknowledging all factors and a person's previous behaviours! Having access to money and therefore the best of the best in lawyers is a definite advantage too, but logic should still prevail. Strong messages need to be sent to offenders and to others that have the potantial to go down a similar path, but in this case, there were certainly no strong examples made. It's disgusting really. Thanks for the response hiddenwing.
@sharra1 (6340)
• Australia
3 Dec 08
This is a ridiculous sentence. I am sick of seeing repeat offenders getting off and lightly and going back on the street. One day they will kill someone when they should be locked up getting rehabilitation and re-education. grrrrrrrrrrr. I have heard of people in Australia being arrested for driving a car while drunk. The guy had already lost his licence and his registration and his car but he was still driving around without a care and they just charge him and put him back on the street. What is wrong with this world.
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
3 Dec 08
It certainly is sharra. This guy could have killed someone as you have rightfully pinted oput yourself; and I am amazed that he didn't. He was on parole for another offence at the time too. It's pathetic really and makes it hard to have faith in the justice system at all. I wish they would make every effort possible to make very public examples of idiots like this rather than allow savvy lawyers to plea bargain. Thanks for your comments.
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@James_fan (123)
• China
6 Dec 08
This depend on where it happened, normally, the law is different in different country.
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
6 Dec 08
Yes, I agree that the laws are different from country to country. This was in Australia, but as far as I am concerned, any country that lets someone off so lightly as they have in this case, really needs to revise their sentencing laws. It was a ridiculous punishment in my opinion. Thanks for the response James_fan.
4 Dec 08
The law certainly an a**. If you think this sentence is bad there were two cases not far from where I live that were far worse. The first was when a publican in a local village went out to stop some hulligans beating up a local mantally handicapped boy. These yobs got in a car and drove at the man and he was killed. They got done for dangerous driving and got 18 months in prison. The next one was in the same village. A drunk driver mounted a pavement and killed a girl walking home from school. They were charged with driving under the influence and got 3 years in prison and five years ban from driving. We have great laws in the UK. People do not seem to realise that a vehicle is a lethal weapon in the wrong hands.
@James72 (26790)
• Australia
4 Dec 08
I think you have actually managed to be quite kind with the word you just used to describe law! Both of the cases you have just given are yet another clear cut example of an absolute and utter lack of logic. How the heck do people get away with stuff like this?? You read about stories like these on one hand; and then stories about a man who burglarizes getting 20+ years on the other..... A vehicle IS a lethal weapon and when people abuse them in this manner then an example of them needs to be made. Full stop. It is beyond pathetic to see how easily lawyers can tap dance around the law like this; and even more disheartening when you realize that the base sentencing laws are even MORE flawed. Thanks for the response wanderer.
@SaintAnne (5453)
• United States
4 Dec 08
Like not having a license or car will stop someone who apparently is oblivious of his actions and its consequences from driving. If people want to risk their lives or endanger them, do it when no one else is around. Do NOT involve other innocents. I guess they would wait until the guy is out and do it again and possibly injure or kill someone else on the road to finally let him learn his lesson.
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
4 Dec 08
Exactly right SaintAnne. This idiot obviously doesn't give a toss about what's riught and what's wrong so why would abother year in jail be of any concern? It's absolutely ridiculous. And to top it all off, I read a news story today about a man who received 24 years in jail for BURGLARY! Makes no sense at all. He will offend again once he's out, I guarantee it. And thanks for the update on the murder case too. I read something similar in another discussion but there were no further details. This whole thing is becoming more and more intriguing as it goes along. I am happy to see that the gag order isn't stopping info being shared too as I am keen to see where this leads. No matter which way you lean so far, there is no question that this is one messed up kid. Thanks for the response and the update on the case too. If you ever read or hear more in the future, I'd love for you to share it.
@SaintAnne (5453)
• United States
4 Dec 08
PS - I caught a short segment about that kid in one of your discussions. I guess he was being spanked for doing bad things or not doing things and he kept count of the number of spankings he got. Once that number get to a thousand then that was it for him. That's what the kid said according to reports but now they're saying that such revelation may not be used at all since the kid keeps changing his stories and that they talked to him initially without a lawyer present.
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• United States
4 Dec 08
The logic behind this kind of thing eludes me. Would the guy have gotten a harsher sentence had he killed someone in the process, I wonder? Or, would they still have just slapped his hand and let him off with the same sentence? I mean the guy was already on parole, for pete's sake. It's not likely that a 2 year sentence, with parole after 1 year, is going to change his attitude or his behaviour.
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