Choice to DIE? Politics, decisions, and abortion...
By mommyboo
@mommyboo (13174)
United States
March 28, 2009 4:50pm CST
So much has been brought up about 'pro choice', 'pro life', or 'no choice' and of course the idea that not only is it a mother's body, but the decision should be a joint decision possibly including a father as well. Of course, then you have everybody screaming about how the BABY doesn't have a choice. How do you propose the baby gets an actual voice in the matter?
My question for you all today is - do you honestly believe that a baby would still want to be here if it were almost certain they were unaffordable and they'd be living in poverty and want, possibly in a stressful situation with parents who perhaps did not want them, or parents who neglected or abused them?
Would YOU want to be in a situation like that if it was of 96-99% certainty? Babies are helpless and dependent, of course they don't know any different because they don't have anything to compare it to even if it's bad, but do you really think it would be worth forcing a couple or a mother who could not afford a child or who were abusive or mentally incompetent to have that child anyway, just to avoid abortion?
I'm just not sure I would rationally choose to have a life but live in poverty with people who hated me and blamed me for being there, beaten, abused, or left alone because some government or law said it had to be that way. I talked to someone recently too who said that she thought her parents had too many kids, there was not enough of anything to go around to cover physical needs, much less anybody's emotional needs or attention. Notice I said NEEDS here, not WANTS. I realize that some people would just keep indiscriminately having kids even while KNOWING they couldn't afford them, but I think this is selfish and irresponsible, and even though abortion is NOT a good thing it's it better not to inconvenience or hurt your ENTIRE family if possible?
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@sharra1 (6340)
• Australia
29 Mar 09
Well it is just as well that babies do not have this choice or we would probably not have any. If you knew how bad your parents were going to be before you were born you might just choose not to have them.
On the other hand, if you do choose your parents as some people believe. If the spirit is a person who is constantly reborn to experience different things and they do choose their parent then maybe they have chosen a tough life for the learning experiences they might gain from it. I say might because we do not all learn from our experiences.
Some people argue that every problem in life can be overcome if the individual is good enough. Isn't that what the free market rationalists say? If you are poor its your own fault as anyone can make it good if they work hard enough. I do not believe that theory. If you are born into a life of slavery and there is no way out then how can that person be blamed for not having found a path to freedom. These people say this nonsense just to justify their wealth. It is a rare person who rises from poverty to riches, very rare. Most rich people are born to privilege or given assistance by people who are wealthy in the form of scholarships etc.
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
29 Mar 09
There is actually a decent portion of people who are born into normal circumstances, either they were planned and wanted or they were not planned but waited for expectantly anyway. They have normal ups and downs growing up with their parents, good times and leaner times, butt heads sometimes but it doesn't lead to homelessness or abuse, know what I mean? The majority of people do fall into this category, even if they feel they are constantly struggling they are not living week to week in fear of homelessness nor worrying every day that they will get beaten if they look at someone wrong when they get home from school.
I look at some people who have survived horrible situations. Some of those people are positive and strong individuals and they are fine now. Some of them though.... are whiny entitled victims who think because they were dealt a bad hand, now everybody OWES them. There seem to be more of THOSE people than the first kind, and I think that type of attitude needs to be removed. It poisons other people, especially people who are riding the fence on how to feel regarding the issue.
I don't always think it's someone's fault if they are born into a bad situation, but I do think they can only have themselves to blame if they squander opportunities or ignore open doors out of laziness or a feeling that they do not have to work hard to earn things.
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@cest_moi (206)
• Canada
28 Mar 09
Whatever it is, abortion to me is still a killing whether at the very early stage or at the point of a good few months into pregnancy. Whether it is an accident or an intention but later on found out that cannot afford to have this child, it is still a killing.
We were in this situation as it is so called "a mistake", we were almost fainted when we found out that she is pregnant. That shocking moment was short lived as we both immediately planned ahead for the new family member. It was our third child and the gap between our youngest son to the new to be born child is 9 years. We never had a single thought of killing this child, not at all, as the moment we found out about her pregnancy, we immediately thought of god giving us a gifted child and today, she is really a gifted child. She is so adorable and so smart at her age, she is now 3 and a half. She is pretty and very intelligent.
Thinking of abortion, I can understand that when you go through it, you go though it with hardship and for your very own reason(s).
One odd case that I witnessed, a very dear friend of mine, she deliberately lured a lovely husband, a lovely father of two, from a beautiful family because of her greed of the guy's money as he is a successful person even though his job is a bit tedious but what she cares about was, his money.
She lured him towards a relationship and the guy is now hooked. During her mission, she found out that she was pregnant and so she immediately called for an abortion without thinking. Does the baby have a choice in this case? I think not. If she loves him, she would have kept the child and claimed his responsibilities, but no, she only wants his money. Other issues/rumors surrounding this story is, "Is it the guy's child or some other guys' child?". The guy now filed for a divorce with his wife leaving behind 2 young children as he was once a love and caring father for these two youngsters.
"No further comments your honour!"
Cheers,
Cest_moi
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@maximax8 (31053)
• United Kingdom
29 Mar 09
Using birth control is extremely important. No form of it is 100% effective and my friend got pregnant when she was using an oral form and her boyfriend was using a barrier form of it. She was at university and she left her course to have her baby. She got married to her baby's dad. She wasn't able to complete her studies to become a teacher due to her surprise pregnancy.
Babies and children that are being mistreated by their parents in my home country get rescued by social services. They go to caring foster parents. Poor families here can go on to social security benefits. So there are answers here for abuse and poverty that help babies and children.
No baby that is growing inside his or her mother's womb wants to die. An abortion is not a pleasant procedure. A mother to be can choose to have an abortion up to 24 weeks pregnancy in my home country. A father has no say whatsoever and the baby is unable to say he or she wants to live. Some ladies that do have an abortion regret their decision afterwards.
@Carpathian (582)
• United States
28 Mar 09
Now, I know there are many different people out there who have different opinions on choice of abortion or no abortion. I also think it depends on who you are and where you live and the circumstances that surround the event that matters. I mean yes if you have a very nice place and food on the table and you can handle a baby then fine have one. But, if you are say a teen raped by your step-father and in a house full of abuse and you know that this baby will suffer the same thing why would you do it. I would not put that kind of abuse on my worse enemy. And, for those of you that say well she can leave and get help! Well, it might be easy for you but think you might be smarter or stronger then her. You might know how to do it. Now, if she was never taught how to fight or know what to do how would she know? And, then what if this step-father is the only parent she has, he did not teach her how to fight back he taught her to like things his way. So, you see it is not the choice you are fighting for but the knowledge to give all these women and girls on how to avoid abortion is to use absent or protection. If I was able to I would give any girl that wanted some kind of protection from PG. And the knowledge that way she will not have to make the choice to abort or not. She will be protected. If it the best you can do!
**Peace and Love get's you through everything in Life**
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