CARS, cash for clunkers....what do you think?

@taface412 (3175)
United States
August 9, 2009 10:42am CST
I am mixed about this one. Personally I do not see how it would help me out unless I was willing to cash in my old car for a pricey payment...and if that was the case I would have done it awhile back. I know they are offering some good deals, but isn't it just another way of inticing people to buy more of what they cannot afford. Like a sales in a store. Marking up costs, offering huge rebates to bring in people. What do you guys think about this "stimulus"?
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@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
9 Aug 09
I'll use my own car and situation for an example first and then I will go in to a long term more wide spread consiquence of this program. Right now, I have no car payment and I spend about 80 bucks a month in gas. I paid $700 for my car and own it outright. Right now, I plan on running this car untill it costs me more to fix than I paid for it. Let's say I take part in this program. I go and find a place that is willing to finance me. Let's also say this place is willing to let me make payments as low as $200 a month, for a car that will cost me $65 a month in gas to drive. This boils down to net $185 a month I will now be paying to run a car, compaired to the 80 bucks a month I am paying right now....... where are the savings? In addition, if I turn in this car on this program, it gets destroyed. the dealer cannot fix it up and resell it to someone else as poor as I am, nor can it be "parted out" to fix other cars like it that people are still driving because they can't afford even a decent used one. Less affordable cars availble to the dirt poor, like myself. This program will also in effect be creating another bubble, we'll call it the "car bubble". What we are now seeing hand in hand with this kash for klunkers program, is dealers offering extra incentives for buyers, expanding fincancing options and extending credit to more. We can expect to see something similar to what we saw in the housing market. It may not have nearly the impact the housing bubble's burt did, but it will be noticed and have a ripple effect both in the auto industry and in the economy in general.
@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
9 Aug 09
Note to spalli, who commnted above. I am all for and firmly believe in personal responability. But it also seems we have a nation of drooling star eyed sheep who DO NOT. Although at major dealers, there are some stringent financing critera, many are also lowering credit requirements for financing as extra incentives. Also, there exist a lot of "buy here-pay here" type places, that will finance nearly anyone by not going through a major bank or financing company.
@taface412 (3175)
• United States
9 Aug 09
Thanks for the indepth view xfahctor. And I agree about the comparison to the houseing market. And also about the personal responsibility. It seems like this was only set up to create more credit issues when in actuality Americans need to face up to the problems of credit in the past and look at their own credit issues on what they can afford versus what they cannot. I am like you I do not see the savings in this program. And one can call me negative but I only see the down the line extra costs. And the destruction of the used cars....stupid. Like you said there are people who could use them to fix the ones they have without going into debt. there are still real mechanics out there who can actually build things from nothing as opposed to replacing parts. Thanks for responding.
• United States
9 Aug 09
I actually think it is a good plan.Also i read and saw on the news that when i dealer signs up for the program that their computer becomes a federal computer and the goverment has right to acess their computer and do whatever they want to it
@taface412 (3175)
• United States
9 Aug 09
I know there are good incentives to the buyer, but I did not know that Big Brother was that involved. Doesn't that make you nervous? LOL It does to me. Isn't that similar to the government taking over the banks?
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
9 Aug 09
That's a little bit of an exaggeration. The government cannot access dealer computers without installing a remote access program on them (which they do not do) and dealers certainly don't give the government the right to alter any data on their computers. When you access certain government networks for the purpose of entering data onto those networks, you're required to agree to certain things because YOU have the ability to make modifications from your end. When I worked for the railroad I had to access government sites, becoming part of their network, and had to agree to the same thing before I was able to enter my data.
• India
10 Aug 09
It is quite a brave initiative taken by the government, which is only taken in the best interests of all the citizens belonging to the USofA. It is definitely going to decrease the amount of emissions that most of the fuel guzzlers make and as a result of this the environment will also be saved from the daily blemishes that it has face thro' these monstrous cars. CARS is an excellent option for those people who have always been wanting to go green and for those who do have some heart in them and can contribute towards the environment.
@taface412 (3175)
• United States
11 Aug 09
So in other words poor people have no heart LOL Honestly I am all about going green. And I am all about using resources here in the US of A. But there are also pluses to keeping the vehicles cashed in. There are jobs for REAL mechanics who know how to look up in a car manual and work on cars not replace a fuse or chip that may cost just as much as regular ER visit without insurance. Also, it is recycling what is available and keeping vehicles available to people who only have this as an option....as well as possibly making these cars more environmentally friendly. Plus, I would tend to agree if the cars people were purchasing through the CARS program were AMERICAN made solely. And that is one complaint I have heard is that foreign made cars are available to be purchased this way and that takes away from the jobs here in the usa. Thanks for responding.
• United States
10 Aug 09
I think that this program is a waste. Not only is it encouraging people who most likely are not making any money to try to buy a car but it destroys the engine of perfectly good vehicles. Last year at this time in the area I live in people were making a crazy amount of money in the oil field. That stopped in January, and yet the car dealerships are still bringing in good money. How? There are no decent paying jobs around here right now. People are trading in what they have, that works to have new but I do not doubt that most of them are paying for it with their unemployment checks. People are not thinking about the 5 years of payments they will have to make to pay off that new car. On the other hand, there are people, like myself and my husband who only have 2 years left on the new car payment and also have a vehicle that while might qualify to be a clunker, for less money than we could get by taking it to a dealership we could improver the emmisions and fuel milage. I think that the government should have gave the money to mechanics who legitamatly increased fuel milage on people's cars. Throw a set of headers, new tires, and a tune up on most older vehicles and not only will you get better performance but also have in most cases, employed a person and reduce emmisions. I do not plan to part with my older vehicles, I just wish that the government would stop destroying good parts.
@taface412 (3175)
• United States
11 Aug 09
It is quite obvious it is set up as one of those win wins for not only the government, but also the auto industry. To keep us consumers more dependent upon replacemeant parts mechanics as opposed to real mechanics the ones I call McGuyver mechanics like my father who can rebuild an old engine from old parts. But we get what we voted in and what we responsibly accept as obligations. I like you do not plan on trading in unless I absolutely have to, and as long as my dad is around and a few junk yards LOL I may be able to get by a little longer. Thanks for responding.
@zoey7879 (3092)
• United States
9 Aug 09
I agree quite a bit with you on t his matter, taface412. I know a lot of people who have cars that have been manufactured in the last 5 years, but their mileage has forced the warranties to expire. They can't afford payments for new cars, but their current ones need repairs that make driving them unsafe if not impossible... and they can't afford to have them done, but the price of the repairs would be faaaar less than the "cash rebate". My parents are in the situation of owning several older vehicles that could've qualified and one that is only 3 years old but off road in need of repair. The repairs needed came to $800 - it would've been nice if those who really were in need could have qualified for this program... Instead, it seems it was simply done solely to appease the auto industry. There are many, many things that the auto industry could do to save money and stimulate sales. So many vehicles that are actually still driveable are going to be scooped off to junk yards - why not scrap out useable parts for the lower income people, or offer these vehicles at extremly discounted rates. I'm handicapped and live in an area where public transportation isn't available - I'd be happy to have a car with poor gas mileage to get around to the grocery stores and such. Instead, I have pay a neighbor $5 a trip, even if it's just to the store 300 feet up the road.
@taface412 (3175)
• United States
9 Aug 09
Well the destrutcion of tha cars is also another way the auto industry will make drivers more depandent on them and the more expensive garages. These newer cars are made as my father puts it "bic lighters" you know the disposale kind where if it breaks you have to buy another one. My father has been a mechanic all his life and I and my brothers have helped him rebuild motors and make junkers into very useful autos...and now with these cars that could be RECYCLED for those who have actually have to know how to fix cars can't because they will be destroyed. But some people will do anything for a small percentage of savings. Chances are the cars were marked up anyhow...just like in the stores. And I have a nose for sales real ones and this smells a bit fishy. Thanks for responding and good luck with ya.
• United States
10 Aug 09
You are right it sound good but at the same time it those say that we have to make payments for?? time. I have a old car that I bought in April and I don’t know if I qualify for that program and I would love to be able to qualify but at the same time I don’t know if I can have a new car because I don’t always have the money. There are months were I don’t even have the money to pay my bills so I don’t think or know if that would be a good thing for me. Also I have bad credit so that won’t help at all.
@taface412 (3175)
• United States
11 Aug 09
I do know one of the qualifications is you have to own the clunker for a year and have it insured for that year, so at least they took effort into seeing how some people might just buy a clunker to qualify.... I still think it is not such a great idea in the long run for consumers. I immediately thought of the houseing market just before it's bubble burst everywhere. LOL Thanks for responding.
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
9 Aug 09
First of all, I believe in something called personal responsibility so I don't agree with the suggestion that this program causes people to buy something they can't afford. It should be up to the individual to decide what he/she can afford...not the car dealers or the government. Folks also have to be able to qualify for financing so you're not going to find someone earning minimum wage driving a new Corvette off the lot. Having said that, I think this program has accomplished a couple of things. It has taken some vehicles off the road, it has given the auto industry a much needed shot in the arm and I'm sure it has lifted the moods of the many Americans who have participated. There's nothing like that new car smell! Personally, my husband and I haven't taken part in the program because our two trucks are almost paid off and we'd rather not enter into a new loan obligation at this time.
@taface412 (3175)
• United States
9 Aug 09
True about personal responsibility, but it was not too long ago when the banking loans caused such a rukkus over overextending credit to people who could not essentially afford such things and they still signed on the dotted line and in a prime time episode I watched and listen to one woman who stated she was not responsible for her debt because they gave it to her. I know this is only one extreme, but there are still people out there who know how to work the system and get away with it. I know there are pluses, but one responder here even stated that the federal government takes over the computer systems of the car dealers participating...fine to an extent, but the buyers info is in there also. Thanks for responding and I here you about the trading one obilgation for another.