For those Who say Jesus(PBUH) Is God or Son of God !
By moon317318
@moon317318 (692)
Pakistan
September 7, 2009 12:09am CST
First i wuold like to say what Muslims Believe about Jesus(PBUH):
Position of Jesus (pbuh) in Islam:
[b](i)Islam is the only non-Christian faith, which makes it an article of faith to believe in Jesus (pbuh). No Muslim is a Muslim if he does not believe in Jesus (pbuh).
(ii) We believe that he was one of the mightiest Messengers of Allah (swt).
(iii) We believe that he was born miraculously, without any male intervention, which many modern day Christians do not believe.
(iv) We believe he was the Messiah translated Christ (pbuh).
(v) We believe that he gave life to the dead with God’s permission.
(iv) We believe that he healed those born blind, and the lepers with God’s permission.[/b]
Jesus (pbuh) of Nazareth – a Man Approved of God a mEssenger Of God not GOD !
The following statement from the Bible supports the Islamic belief that Jesus (pbuh) was a prophet of God.
"Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know."
[The Bible, Acts 2:22]
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@murderistic (2278)
• United States
7 Sep 09
Thank you for an informative post, most people don't know or understand the full extent to which Muslims believe in Jesus as a prophet. I do have to correct one of your statements, though: "We believe that he was born miraculously, without any male intervention, which many modern day Christians do not believe." Most modern day Christians do believe in the virgin birth of Jesus. All major denominations of Christianity believe this.
In Islam, God does not dwell with the people, He is disconnected in a sense, and therefore it would be impossible to fill His spirit inside Jesus as His son. But as a Christian I do believe that God is present in His people and among us at all times, and I certainly believe that God could manifest Himself in human form. God is capable of all things.
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@moon317318 (692)
• Pakistan
8 Sep 09
dear friend you are correct, God can do anything he wants, there is no one like him, or co equal to him.
In Islam or non Islam, God is the same dear, no matter what we say, He is the only creator who has created us from one single pair, Adam and Eve (Peace Be Upon Them).
no offense dear ,
but i have to correct you, Allah says that He is everywhere you go, He is with you when there is no one else with you,
In Quran Chapter # 50 Qa'f: verse # 16,
[b]
We created man, We know the prompting of his soul, and We are closer to him than
his jugular vein.[/b]
He is not disconnected, he is our creator.....
@moon317318 (692)
• Pakistan
8 Sep 09
You may say my dear freind that "Jesus said: "I and the Father are one" (Jn.10:30), therefore, is not Jesus the same, or, "co-equal" in status with his Father? "
In Greek, `heis' means `one' numerically (masc.) `hen' means `one' in unity or essence (neut.) Here the word used by John is `hen' and not `heis'. The marginal notes in New American Standard Bible (NASB) reads; one - (Lit.neuter) a unity, or, one essence.
If one wishes to argue that the word `hen' supports their claim for Jesus being "co-equal" in status with his Father, please invite his/her attention to the following verse:
Jesus said: "And the glory which Thou hast given me, I have given to them (disciples); that they may be one, just as we are one." (John 17:22).
If he/she was to consider/regard/believe the Father and Jesus Christ to be "one" meaning "co-equal" in status on the basis of John 10:30, then that person should also be prepared to consider/regard/believe "them" - the disciples of Jesus, to be "co-equal" in status with the Father and Jesus ("just as we are one") in John 17:22. I have yet to find a person that would be prepared to make the disciples (students) "co-equal" in status with the Father or Jesus.
The unity and accord was of the authorized divine message that originated from the Father, received by Jesus and finally passed on to the disciples. Jesus admitted having accomplished the work which the Father had given him to do. (Jn.17:4)
Jesus said: "I go to the Father; for the Father is greater than I." (Jn.14:28). This verse unequivocally refutes the claim by any one for Jesus being "co-equal" in status with his Father
@murderistic (2278)
• United States
8 Sep 09
Jesus was fully human - so yes, He was at an equal status of His disciples.
He was also fully God. The spirit of God was fully dwelling in Him. There is only one God - that God chose to come to this earth to dwell with His people. He also came to live the perfect life in order for us to follow His example. Most of all, God came to earth to die as a sacrifice for the sins of all the world, the ultimate sacrifice.
While it is hard to understand why Jesus would tell His disciples to put God before Him, the way I see it is that as Jesus God was in physical form. He also didn't want to be praised as an earthly king. He was pointing people to the spiritual - He did this so we could remember that Jesus was not a new God in human form. He was the same God.
I apologize if I was wrong in my characterization of God in Islam, I was under the impression that God was seen as impersonal - which, in comparison to Christianity, may be true. Of course I do know that Muslims believe that God is a part of their every day lives and do pray to Him beyond the memorized prayers said daily.
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@moon317318 (692)
• Pakistan
7 Sep 09
what if Jesus said that do not call me God, or Son of God, and only worship one true God no one else.?
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@coolcat123 (4387)
• India
18 Sep 09
Islam and christianity meet at many points but at one point (main point) it opposes each other. the opposing factor is that muslims think Jesus was a messenger of God while christians think that Jesus is himself the God.
other than this theres not much difference except in toughening of religion.That is christianity is a very old religion and that time every thing wsa allowed to eat and do but after the emergence of Islam, those things were banned.
@skysuccess (8858)
• Singapore
11 Sep 09
moon317318,
Sorry, I just do not see your point of declaring your interpretation or prerogative of your Islamic faith to that of the Christians here.
It is your religion and your Koran that you see Jesus as merely:
* A Man approved of God
* A messenger of God
* BUT NOT GOD?
I say so be it at your end and there is no point, trying to present your mere shallow interpretations of the Bible and stir the riles within. I simply do not see the point of contradicting issues of Christianity by bring in your Koran when the spoken authority of Christianity is that of the Bible.
Yet, I really must ask you this (since you have started this discussion here) just where and when did the Bible say that Jesus is not the Son of God or God? In all fairness and likewise, I am sure you would detest and find it disturbing if others were to talk about Islam without referencing from the Koran.
To briefly present my case, and if I may ask just what is your interpretations of these passages in the Bible here:
Jesus declares His Deity
* John 8:58
* Matthew 25:31-46
* John 19:7
And, which part of Matthew 26: 64, I quote: "Yes, it is as you say. . . . But I say to all of you: In the future you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven" can actually indicate that a God's messenger be able to sit on the right hand side of God?
For your sake, if you really must edify and proclaim your faith then do your bidding and needful. I just do not see how one can speak about the quality and sweetness of apples when you are speaking and standing in an orchard of oranges.
Have a nice day.
@murderistic (2278)
• United States
13 Sep 09
Great response, skysuccess.
I'd also like to point out that the Christian faith believes that the whole Bible is from God, not just the gospels. Even if you didn't see the gospels as crystal clear on Jesus' divinity, the rest of the New Testiment has absolutely clarified it.
I have also struggled with the idea of Jesus being God, and have gone through similar routes of justifying that belief, but after truely and devoutly studying scripture and letting God lead my heart I have come to be sure that Jesus was God. While this may not be a scriptural way of putting things, I often imagine that Jesus was possessed by God just as someone can be possessed by demons.
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