money, money gleaming bright

@jb78000 (15173)
February 16, 2010 4:43am CST
bad news for tigers. they are easy to breed in captivity, even in dreadful conditions. this might look like good news for one of the most endangered animals on the planet, although the main problem is habitat destruction but it isn't. there is money to be made - in the far east from tiger parts and in the usa from the trade in exotic pets. this means that in china, and indeed the states, tiger farms have sprung up to meet the demand. the conditions in the farms themselves are appalling and the fate of the tigers not good. what is your opinion on them and what do you think should be done by the governments concerned?
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@pandaeyes (2068)
16 Feb 10
That is a very tricky question. On the one hand ,man breeds many animals to make use of them but on the other hand, he is controlled in how he can rear his livestock,he must be seen to be acting humanely in most parts of the world or suffer punishment. I don't like to think that tigers are bred in captivity to be used for such purposes but it is much sadder that they should be bred in terrible conditions. There need to be controls put on the conditions in which they may be bred and also on the reasons they are being bred in the first place. Here in the UK we only ever hear that they are endangered and will die out and so breeding them for 'parts' seems horrific.
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@jb78000 (15173)
16 Feb 10
i think this applies to all animals. if you are going to rear them for anything, meat, eggs, companionship, you have a responsibilty to ensure that their welfare is good. anything else is cruelty. it is relatively easy to breed pigs and chickens humanely (the fact that it is not done, even here, very often is another issue) but tigers are nowhere near as domesticated and require an enormous amount of space otherwise they will suffer. i don't think this can be done economically.
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@pandaeyes (2068)
16 Feb 10
neither do I. It is one thing to say they are helping against extinction but quite another to turn that into a meat production factory opportunity. I do feel ashamed of human beings sometimes.
@hexeduser22 (5853)
• Philippines
17 Feb 10
People should just stop their greediness and I hope the governments concern should consider some regulations and laws on this one. I pity those tigers, I know they can eat a man alive but when it comes to survival we have the advantage and by that we should be the one protecting them not poaching them. Where World Wildlife Foundation when you need them?
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@jb78000 (15173)
18 Feb 10
we should be not hunting them and not farming them either i think. and keeping them as pets is ridiculous - it is not fair on the tigers and there have been lots of people killed by 'pet' tigers they thought were friendly.
• Australia
16 Feb 10
A very good friend from South Africa was in tears last year over the state of some of the National Parks in South Africa. She is a mighty warrior for her animal friends and is on many committees. While she thrilled us with accounts of visits to some of the parks, she broke our hearts with blogs and pictures of others. There is no doubt that mankind poses the greatest threat, not only for tigers but for hippos, elephants, seals and almost every living creature - and of course it is the "money, money, gleaming bright" that drives them. Governments? Aren't they also driven by the same thing?
@jb78000 (15173)
16 Feb 10
really depressing isn't it?
@marguicha (100035)
• Chile
18 Feb 10
Everytime I hear of things like that I think that we are the worst predators. It´s a pity, but it´s difficult to be proud of our species when you know this id happening and that there is no way to stop it. Tigers are not domestic animals so it should be agaist the law to have them as pets. It is dangerous at the most and cruel to them too. their owners turn them into something they are not meant to be. As the law doesn´t rele against this, these tiger farm appear. And the owners of that are not doing it to help the tigers,but to fill their pockets with money. So the least they spend (and here come too the horrible conditions of this trade)the more they earn. It seems that with tigers there´s not even the excuse that some people eat them to survive. There should be international laws protecting the tigers. Unfortunatly. I think many laws are enforced because there´s money in between.
@jb78000 (15173)
18 Feb 10
well in china the government is always publicising tiger protection programs but allows these farms to continue, even though they are not only treating the tigers appallingly but also encouraging the (illegal) trade in tiger parts. in the us several states are incredibly lax about enforcing exotic animal legislation. some don't even have any. i think in both cases there is a lot of deliberately turning a blind eye going on...
@marguicha (100035)
• Chile
19 Feb 10
Unfortunatly, it happens in every country. In my country we don´t have tigers but it´s a pity the way some fish are taken out to be sold. There should be a law about the size of each kind of fish.
@jb78000 (15173)
20 Feb 10
my country has strong laws on some aspects of animal welfare and conservation but none on others. endangered fish are still legally sold all over the place. i don't like how hypocritical some of this is, people get furious about say a dog being maltreated but ignore pigs. and if a songbird on the verge of extinction was sold in a restaurant people would be up in arms but another animal they wouldn't care.
@dawnald (84146)
• Shingle Springs, California
16 Feb 10
Tigers are endangered, so that should automatically exclude them from being bred to be used for food, fur, etc. But assuming that they weren't, I guess you'd apply the same arguments to it as to breeding other animals to be used for food, fur, etc. Which is, it should only be done under humane conditions, if at all. But there is something about tigers specifically that makes the whole idea disgusting somehow, for parts or for pets...
@jb78000 (15173)
17 Feb 10
i know, i think it is because we are not used to the idea more than anything which makes it seem so bad. which it is, but so is the intensive farming of pigs.
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@dawnald (84146)
• Shingle Springs, California
17 Feb 10
and cows, chickens, etc. etc. etc.
@trruk1 (1031)
• United States
16 Feb 10
Humans do not have a stellar record when it comes to our treatment of other animals. We move into areas where predators live and then get upset because they eat our livestock. They were there first. If we cannot manage to preserve a place where they can live in the wild, then I suppose we should breed them in captivity, just to keep the species viable. A tiger raised in captivity is just a shadow of what a real tiger is like, but I guess it is better than no tigers at all. Humans have some really strange views of other animals. Many seem to think that they are just humans dressed up as something else. They are not like us. They have their own world and their own priorities. That guy in Alaska that lived right in the midst of several grizzly bears (until something ticked them off and they killed him and his girlfriend) seemed to think a grizzly was a man in a bear suit. It is like people who keep snakes for pets and then get upset when the snake bites them. It's a snake. It's what he does. And you knew he was a snake.
• Israel
16 Feb 10
The Government needs to regulate all animals work, not only in the lab, but also in "farms." The people who raise tigers need to take into account the needs of the animal and its behavior. Tigers should not be raised for pets at all!!
@jb78000 (15173)
16 Feb 10
trruk i agree - and tigers as pets provide sadly plenty of examples of this. you get these stories hitting the news of people being killed by tigers they thought were friendly. being surprised by not domesticated large carnivores behaving naturally is ridiculous. rachael - yep, tigers are not suitable as pets at all. apart from the animal welfare issues they are dangerous. there are too many idiots who get excited about the idea of a pet tiger (i heard of one man who tried to keep one in his apartment) without any idea of what they are taking on. the result is usually that the tiger is abandoned or killed, or kills somebody.
• Canada
16 Feb 10
Sometimes I have this fantasy going in my head. I imagine that I was put on earth by some higher civilization from another planet. One day they come back to check on their prized possessions. They didnt want to use us as "cattle" so they set us up on this lovely planet to live freely and procreate. They come back and see what we're doing to our "cattle" . They then decide that since we're so cruel that maybe we need a lesson. Id hate this to be true as in the end.....we'll have to pay for how cruel and heartless we are to animals. I too am ashamed sometimes to call myself a "human being"
@jb78000 (15173)
18 Feb 10
we are good at thing of animals as things rather than beings. it makes it easier to maltreat them.
@dude31 (30)
• United States
16 Feb 10
i think we should make a law to stop poching animals beacuse there all goin instinct. The gov shouldnt worry about money as much as life. they think money is money valiable.
@jb78000 (15173)
17 Feb 10
true enough, although this discussion is not about poaching.