Should Wales and Dolphins have 'RIGHTS' like people?

@debrakcarey (19924)
United States
May 24, 2010 9:40pm CST
This was in a newsletter a friend of mine posts on the web. If you listen closely you can hear them. Somewhere in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, there is a group of whales holding fins, and singing "We Shall Overcome," and as you read this, flipper is filming a commercial where he squeaks, "I am not an Animal, I am a human being." Why the ruckus? Because in Helsinki a conference of conservationists and experts in philosophy, law and ethics have declared whales and dolphins should get "human rights" to life and liberty because of mounting evidence of their intelligence. No this is not a Satire. Incredibly President Obama's Czar Cass Sunstein who believe that Animals should have the right to sue in American courts wasn't even there. Atendees at this at a University of Helsinki conference said ever more studies show the giant marine mammals have human-like self-awareness, an ability to communicate and organize complex societies, making them similar to some great apes. "We affirm that all cetaceans as persons have the right to life, liberty and wellbeing," they said in a declaration after a two-day meeting led by the Whale and Dolphin Conservation Society (WDCS). The WDCS is making the mistake progressive politicians make. Man does not give the right to life, liberty etc. Those natural rights were given to man from God. But maybe we can give them Obamacare and high speed internet. Thomas White, director of the Center for Ethics and Business at Loyola Marymount University in California who was at the Helsinki talks, said dolphins can recognize themselves in a mirror, an ability rare in mammals that humans only acquire at about 18 months of age. "Whaling is ethically unacceptable," he told Reuters. "They have a sense of self that we used to think that only human beings have." Californian, gee somehow I am not surprised. In researching Dr. White, he has made a career out of trying to assign "human rights" in non-human dolphins. Somebody has to teach this guy the difference between human and humane. Working with White at this conference was Hal Whitehead, a biology professor at Dalhousie University in Canada and an expert on deep-water whales, said there was more evidence that whales have human-like culture. Whitehead might be right, maybe we should put a camera in the ocean to see if any sperm whales are practicing Hamlet's soliloquy after the divers from National Geographic get back on the boat. He said that sperm whales have sonars to find fish that are so powerful that they could permanently deafen others nearby if used at full blast. Yet the whales do not use sonars as weapons, showing what Whitehead called a human-like "sense of morality." Morality? Maybe we can send the National Geographic guys back into the water to see if there are any whales holding two tablets inscribed with Ten Commandments. "It's like a group of human hunters armed with guns," he told Reuters. "There's a clear sense of how the sonar can be used." ..."We want a shift to putting the individual at the center of conservation," said Nicholas Entrup, of the WDCS. That would mean giving minke whales, relatively plentiful and most often hunted, the same protection as endangered northern right whales. Biologist Paul Manger disagrees, he say many researchers had wrongly concluded that whales and dolphins were smart because they have big brains. He does have a point, many people have made the same mistake with Barbara Boxer and Al Franken. "There's nothing to separate them from other mammals -- seals, lions or tigers," Paul Manger of Johannesburg's University of Witwatersrand, told Reuters. They had evolved big brains largely to keep warm in the chill waters. Saying whales were not especially bright was not the same as advocating hunts, he said. "We protect fish stocks even though no one argues that they are intelligent," he said. The Real point is as said above, all Animals should be treated humanely, but that doesn't mean they should have the same rights and protections as a human being. YOU CAN SUBSCRIBE TO YID WITH LID AT: yidwithlid@aol.com What are your thoughts on this? Should we grant the same rights to whales and dolphins as we do to humans? And do humans STILL have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness in America? Or are our leaders to busy giving them to animals?
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• United States
25 May 10
I don't think animal should have "rights", well not human rights. It would be weird if some animal sues you in court because you ate his family/friend. And if an animal species is NOT ENDANGERED, PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE TO HUNT IT AND EAT IT(or research information about them), just not too much. Some animals hunt us, we hunt others.
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@debrakcarey (19924)
• United States
26 May 10
Can you imagine the mess we'd have if animals were treated as fully human? I love my dog, I love my cat. I admire and enjoy the company of many types of animals. But by golly, I will not let a grizzly or a lion move in next door!
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@laglen (19782)
• United States
25 May 10
reminds me of a book. Animal Farm. I think the whole thing is so stupid it was a waste of words.
@laglen (19782)
• United States
25 May 10
sorry - neither of those. The proposal to give rights to animals is a waste. Im sorry, I really need to learn to express myself better...
@laglen (19782)
• United States
25 May 10
lmao hell no! I would never do that! I wish more people would read it and other books along the same lines. Scary how Orwell got it right all those years ago!
@laglen (19782)
• United States
25 May 10
I know one of my daughters classes they touched on 1984 and animal farm. I dont recall reading them in school but I have since then.
@dawnald (84146)
• Shingle Springs, California
25 May 10
Well let's just say there were a way to scientifically prove that they were intelligent enough to be self aware and have some kind of philosophy, language, maybe even religion. Then yeah, I'd say grant them rights. Until then, they're animals.
@debrakcarey (19924)
• United States
26 May 10
I'll get on it right away Dawn, you want to help me raise funds for research?
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@dawnald (84146)
• Shingle Springs, California
26 May 10
I can sell beanie babies...
@debrakcarey (19924)
• United States
27 May 10
As long as they're not made in the likness of Whales or Dolphins. Don't want to be sued for misrepresenting them as cute and cuddly.
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@Destiny007 (5820)
• United States
25 May 10
This just proves that the experts are really living in an alternate universe. I think this kind of thing just goes to show that there is such a thing as too much education. Animals are not like people, they are a lower life form, and as I recall, we were given dominion over them. Animals do not reason, they act on instinct... even when trained, as people are constantly reminded everytime one of them reverts to nature even after years of captivity and training. As to the question of human rights in America, you might want to look at this to see where we seem to be headed... http://blip.tv/file/3661748
@debrakcarey (19924)
• United States
27 May 10
Some Americans feel if they can't go to the grocery store or resturant they will starve. I often wonder what some would do if we really actually had a REAL economic crash and we all had to go back to living like the Little House on the Praire days! I know what they'd do, come here and expect ME to feed them.
• Philippines
25 May 10
yes i think so because they are living things, for me all living things must have their own rights. They have the right to live peacefully and of course us humans must be responsible for that tasks,. We must think more than we should, we must think that all living thing must be cared because we are all connected to each other..
@ronz30 (276)
• Philippines
25 May 10
haha .. If they have rights , then they should also have limitations right? so how can they know that this is their rights and this is a limitations ?? I think in animals there's no need to say that this is their rights or not . We humans can tell it because we know what is right and wrong..
@debrakcarey (19924)
• United States
26 May 10
With rights come responsibility, correct? What will be their responsibilities? Will they be held accountable when they mess up, or break a law? We're not just talking about the right to life here. We are talking about the fundemental differences between human life and animal life. And we're being asked to accept the fact that whales and dolphins are the SAME as humans. Also, do you not realize that most of the world's population (human) lives in abject poverty and fear. Should animals have it any better?
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@MrNiceGuy (4147)
• United States
26 May 10
Of course they shouldn't get rights like humans. They may be smart, but they aren't humans. They are no where near as smart as humans and I'd love to see them invent things like we have. Of course we should treat animals well and protect species, but giving them rights is just preposterous.
@debrakcarey (19924)
• United States
26 May 10
I agree!
@kukueye (1761)
• Malaysia
25 May 10
HAha.So funny , dolphins having human rights?My personal opinion human life should be first and animal second or third..haha.But they should not be hunted until extinct and allow to die naturally and honorly. I think personally , how ever they are similar with human, but they are not human , hence cannot be giving human rights.
@debrakcarey (19924)
• United States
26 May 10
I don't see the similarity other than the biological, having hair, mammals, warm blooded etc....but I do agree with you otherwise.
@dragon54u (31637)
• United States
25 May 10
Whales and dolphins are very intelligent creatures but they are not human. They deserve to be treated humanely, just as every other creature does--including humans. But only humans have human rights, only humans (as far as I know) can plan for the future and actively make it happen. I do not believe that we should treat whales and dolphins badly or with cruelty. But I think Sunstein is a very dangerous person, as are most people in the Obama administration. Those who are not dangerous are stupid pawns, those who are will destroy us because we will let them.
@debrakcarey (19924)
• United States
26 May 10
Very well said, and so far you are the only one to get my point. At least to articulate it in your answer. Thank you Dragon54u.
@cupkitties (7494)
• United States
25 May 10
Animals ought to be protected and not abused but to give them ALL the same rights as humans? No. Ridiculous. That would get too far out of hand and then you know they would pass some no meat eating law. I'm sure some group of vegetarian nazis would love that one since they love to tell everyone what they are allowed and not allowed to eat but according to the bible animals are put here for me to crunch on their meaty goodness.
@debrakcarey (19924)
• United States
26 May 10
That is exactly what these hyper educated fools want to do cupkitties.
@med889 (5958)
25 May 10
After reading your discussion I came to a conclusion that whales and dolphins should be having the same rights as we humans have, human beings are so much explorers types these days, I feel to say to them that it is much better to explore their life than disturbing these animals, why should they do such acts which is harming others especially to those who least ask for it. Animals are better when left as they are. This is what I think.
@debrakcarey (19924)
• United States
26 May 10
I do not advocate harming them. I just don't agree that their lives are on the same level as mine or yours. I believe that humans should treat the animals humanely. That is with compassion and respect. Do you eat meat? Do you take antibiotics when you're ill? Do you swat flies? Do you bleach your clothes or counter tops? Life is ALL over and in every thing. Should we stop doing these things to preserve the microscopic life and insect life around us. Why stop at whales and dolphins. Lets not kill ANY life. Good place to start, with EACH OTHER! (How's that for a soap box Holly?)
@krisnel (498)
• Philippines
25 May 10
whales and dolphins are living creature too. they have the right too just like us human. the right to have a shelter for them.
• Philippines
25 May 10
I think we shouldn't give these rights to them cuz they may not know how to use it. They'll just be outwitted by humans who knows more than they do and they will not be able to sing anymore while holding fins.