U.S. retaliation against Israel for attacking a vessel in international waters?
June 12, 2010 3:56pm CST
No I am not talking about recent attack on the aid flotilla by Israelis but the attack that occurred 43 years ago this past week that left 34 men dead and 173 wounded, The USS liberty. Family members as well as sailors still have questions and feel that they were deliberately attacked by Israel, while Israel still stands by its claims that it was a case of mistaken identity. Still other say that despite what ever president Johnson felt about the situation (as he brushed aside any questions that were asked) that naval commanders took things into their own hands and had revenge by sinking the Israeli submarine, the INS Dakar, which went missing in January 1968. Do you think it's possible that Naval commanders would take it upon themselves and seek revenge against an ally for an attack on one of their own or do you believe that the Dakar (which has been found) suffered a catastrophic event that caused it to split into? http://www.memagazine.org/backissues/membersonly/august99/features/sub/sub.html http://www.gtr5.com/
12 Jun 10
Oh my, the USS Liberty is very popular tonight. I started a disc about it earlier this evening and when I came back to check on it, there was yours. You raise an interesting question here. Having watched both of the videos linked to in my discussion, I would say there is a possibility of retaliation having taken place. After the attack on the Liberty the surviving crew members were dispersed to units around the globe, with no two members of the Liberty's crew being assigned to the same unit. Although they were ordered not to talk about the attack by Admiral Kidd and other members of the military and the State Department, feelings were clearly running very high and details of the attack may have been passed on to other servicemen. But if a decision to sink the Dakar was taken it would have had to be at a level much higher than midshipman or petty officer. The captain of the Liberty was alleged by members of his crew to be convinced that the attack was deliberate. If you add to this the fact that Captain McGonagle is the only recipient of the CMH not to be presented with it by the POTUS but at a small, not widely publicised ceremony; then maybe, with him being a very well respected senior officer, that others may have taken it upon themselves to enact some revenge on behalf of the Liberty crew. I believe there were also several high ranking officials at the State Department who did not accept Israel's version of events either. So yes, it is a distinct possibility, but I don't think Israel will be levelling any accusations at America. Whatever happened to the Dakar, my money is on Israel saying that the Dakar was a victim of mechanical failure. This would be the easiest way out for both parties, without loss of face on either side.
• United States
13 Jun 10
Sorry about that I didn't know you had posted the same topic. As you said if it was the case that someone high level decided to enact some revenge I certainly doubt either side will ever say a word about it. I doubt the family and crew will ever get the answers they want either after all its been all this time and most of those who had the ability to demand answers never said anything.
13 Jun 10
No need for apologies. Our discussions may be on the same topic but they complement each other rather than clash. And somewhere in between, is the truth, though I don't suppose we'll ever learn that. Unless of course, someone, sometime, has the courage, integrity, and honesty to open up all those little boxes marked 'top secret' and reveal their contents to 'We the People'.
13 Jun 10
Well, all things are possible, but I'm wondering what difference it makes 43 years later? With the world in an unstable condition, as it is today, what with Iran building a nuke, and the Israeli/ Palestinian situation boiling up as it most often is, why stir troubled waters? Sure anything is possible, but why not just settle down and wait until tomorrow when some other traumatic event is bound to happen?
• United States
13 Jun 10
Well it would certainly explain a lot if there was covert actions back and forth between allies on why Israel has spied on the U.S. probably more than any other nation since the cold war. Originally I thought the spying probably was more political in nature you know catch some senator in an embarrassing situation and use it to their advantage. But if there has been deliberate attacks being done on both sides covertly it would make a lot more sense.