the crotch salute: why?

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are CREATED equal, & endowed BY OUR CREATOR with certain inalienable rights (to life, liberty, & the pursuit of happiness). You never read the Declaration of Independence, Bub, if you don't know God is "mentioned" in it. If you really knew your history, you'd know that the Founders were basing the entire way of our government on having God in public & in our hearts. You can disbelieve that all you like, but it just means you're ignorant of the Federalist Papers. Now go correct that problem. After you do, we'll talk. Maggiepie What follows are just a few statements which prove my claim that God was a huge part of our Founders' lives, & informed the documents which you named: "Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that his justice cannot sleep forever." ~ Thomas Jefferson “No King but King Christ.” ~ Our revolutionary war (the original Revolution, that is...) motto "Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that they are gifts from God?” ~ Thomas Jefferson "It cannot be emphasized too clearly & too often that this nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religion, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ." ~ HENRY, May 1765, Speech to the House of Burgesses This is all the inheritance I can give my dear family. The religion of Christ can give them one which will make them rich indeed." ~ HENRY, Last Will & Testament "The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, & now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal & immutable as the existence & attributes of God." ~ John Adams And last, this thought: "How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words!" ~ Samuel Adams

Maggiepie KUDOS! to you for an excellent comment! I have noticed that our teenager friend, dark_joev, responds to many discussions with the statement that he has read the United States Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. I seriously have my doubts about that. I guess he thinks that will verify his responses.

"Creator" isn't God unless you make it out to be. Creator could be anything not just one thing. That is the point. They never said God or Lord in the Declaration of Independence. And your whole view on the founding fathers is also off. Thomas Jefferson placed his copy of the Quran into the Library of Congress. I have read the entire constitution and I own a copy of the Federalist Papers so maybe your should read them. And whiteheather I can't believe your lack of understanding of the Bill of Rights is completely out of whack you support a Police State through the Patriot Act which is Unconstitutional under the following Amendments to the United States Constitution: 4, 5 and 6th. So maybe you need to do some reading. Now back to the response. Created well that could easily be through Evolution or spontaneous matter formation. Heck I will even throw in another one I think there for I am. Doesn't prove a single thing. Just as the Use of Creator instead of "GOD" Also Jefferson fought to make sure that the country was open to people of all faiths. If you don't know this then you don't know one of the main reasons for the United States to break off from Britain and need to re read that part of history which I could tell you right here it was Religious freedom they where seeking and having a state government that would allow them to practice their religion of their choosing. This Christian Fundementalist Movement continues to have to F up history in order to try and make it something it never was. Also if the Founding fathers where really devout then they wouldn't of rebelled against their King as that is forbidden in the Bible to do. You are to serve your king faithfully because God placed him to lead you. We know Jefferson didn't believe much in God as well he rewote the Bible with out many of the parts in it like No Virgin birth so he is Christan you are Delusional to the maximum. I bet you don't even know the Original Motto of our country. Here it is E pluribus unum (Out of Many One) not In God We Trust that was added later 1959 Original Pledge of Alligence "I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all." September 8, 1892 No mention of God that seems werid once again for such a Christan Nation. The United States Constitution does mention "Lord" once it is the last article (VII)but it is being used to reference the Year it says in the year of our Lord. God is used once in the Delcaration of Independence When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. Which how this is worded would match the well known fact that many of the Founding Fathers to be Deist in that they believed God created everything but after that had nothing to do with us hence why Jefferson Throws half of the Bible out when he rewrites it. Right wingers have to attack my age and the fact that I take the US Constitution as a Legal Document which means word for word. And you guys want to change the meaning to fit your agenda that is cool with me I am just not going to stand there and watch you destroy the liberties granted under it. I really do want to know how you can support the Patriot Act and claim you have read the United States Constitution. Oh and the Federalist Papers is the Marketing Campaign for our current form of Government to switch from the Confederation to an Constitutional Government System. Which is the Government form we are right now.

Whiteheather, you are 150% right! Remember when he had Air Force One fly over NYC in order to scatter people like ants as a signal to his Muslim allies that he could do whatever he wanted with impunity, and that now they could do the same and destroy us however they choose?

What the usurper feels for America is as far from "respect" as "the east is from the west". It is disdain and hatred.

No Spalladino, no exaggeration. Oh well, dark, remember what I said before about how angry you'll be when the truth about the foreign and domestic enemy in the WH comes out and you have risked your freedom for that.

Oh trust me Epicure I am not worried when I am looking back on this and go wow those birthers really didn't have anything to stand on.

Epicure, you've been saying the same thing for how long now? What is Obama waiting for? When Obama eventually leaves office we will expect you to start a discussion stating how wrong you were.