A World by Rules or Intelligence????
By bird123
@bird123 (10632)
United States
May 19, 2012 12:27am CST
How would you run the world, by rules or by intelligence?? Of course, with a physical universe there are physical laws that must apply so that the world works. This is different from the laws or rules that are created by mankind.
If one runs the world by Rules, one must supply everyone with a copy of these rules. One must police these rules. Next comes the consequences when the rules are broken. Since few things are black and white, there must be a way for people to contest the punishment, the rules or the judgment call. Justice is important.
If you look at mankind, you can see that running the world by rules takes a lot of work. There are judges, lawyers, and congressmen. Let's not forget the prisons and the guards.
I understand that at mankind's level that rules are about the only way they are capable of running things, but could there be a better way that takes so much less work?? After all,why do all that work if there is a better way?
With unlimited capabilities, God has a better way. God's system runs on intelligence. When one understands all sides of something, intelligence will always determine the right course. This system works great. God has no need to Hate, to Judge,or to Condemn yet everything works out. All God must do is return our actions back to us. When people live all sides, they will choose what is right. Simple, isn't it??
God works on multiple levels with multiple views. There must be more to God's system than making the right choices. By returning our actions back to us, we will all learn to Love Unconditionally. After all, that is what everyone wants back. This is something that will take time, however God's children are intelligent. They will see and understand in time.
Of course, there is a catch. God running the world with intelligence knows that those not capable of making the system work through a lack of capabilities will opt to making rules. Look at mankind. The positive side is that by the time mankind grows enough to be able to run things through intelligence that they will know rules, punishment and hate are not the optimum system.
Advances in artificial intelligence with computers is showing that more can be accomplished having a system Learn rather than merely program the computer with rules and laws. God is ahead of us and already knows Teaching is the best way. Perhaps, mankind should work on that and solve the problems rather than merely condemn, punish and hate with no more teaching than hurt.
There is a better way. See what God is really doing with this world. It stares us in the face.
Starting to see God yet????
8 responses
@bestboy19 (5478)
• United States
22 May 12
"God has no need to Hate, to Judge,or to Condemn yet everything works out. All God must do is return our actions back to us."
By returning our actions to us, we are being judged by a principle set down by God and are either blessed or condemned for our choice. If we don’t know what those principles are, and our actions are in the negative, don’t you think the punishment (for punishment is what the recipient would believe it to be) could be conceived as hatred from God? Doesn’t this also take away our right to choose?
“By returning our actions back to us, we will all learn to Love Unconditionally.”
Are we learning to love or to fear?
"Starting to see God yet????"
Not a loving God.
@bestboy19 (5478)
• United States
22 May 12
"It is unconditional love to teach His children what their actions really mean. God does this without bias or hate by returning our actions back to us."
You are saying God will return our actions to us to show us what is acceptable and what is not. That would mean God has rules, in spite of you say He has no rules. Is it unconditional love to not tell us ahead of time what those rules are? Isn't there a chance a murderer won't commit the crime of murder if he knows ahead of time that God will have him murdered? If you are not told ahead of time that certain actions are not acceptable, and they return to you, what are you going to think? I don't consider actions returning to us intelligent at all. If anything, it's the height of stupidity. I know I'm wasting my time, but on what do you base such an idea?
"Intelligence will always make the right choice."
There are different areas of intelligence. I have a cousin who was valedictorian of his senior class. I remember his mother saying of him, "He doesn't have a lick of common sense." Being intelligent doesn't mean you will always make the right choices. There is also emotion that plays a part in decision making, and we know that emotions can lead a person down the wrong path.
"Now you can picture a hating God doing these things but perhaps the real hate is coming from you."
If people know ahead of time that God will return their actions to them, they will want to know what is acceptable and what is not before they commit any action. If they are not told, I can see them, at least, angry at God for possibly putting their lives in danger by not telling them. It's a sadistic game being played and an example of hatred.
This sadistic game comes from your god, Satan, not from my God, JEHOVAH-RAPHA.
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@bird123 (10632)
• United States
23 May 12
bestboy19. You still have God making rules and condemning. You will be the one who decides what is acceptable for you!! I have full faith in you bestboy. When you get enough information about your actions, you will make the right choice. Everybody does. Intelligence makes the right choice.
It's all a little like a very complex math question. It doesn't matter how long or how much dancing around you do. You will come up with the answer because it is the only real answer.
God doesn't make rules for you because He doesn't want to intimidate you or your choices?? Why not?? Because the learning comes through your free choices and the journey that takes you.
@bird123 (10632)
• United States
22 May 12
bestboy19. It is unconditional love to allow total freedom of choice. God does this. It is unconditional love to teach His children what their actions really mean. God does this without bias or hate by returning our actions back to us. If one chooses to kill, wouldn't you say there is something missing that they do not know??? Returning one's actions is Education at it's best. You are always free to choose. Intelligence will always make the right choice.
God does have a hand in our education. If that were not so,there would not be love, now would there? Now you can picture a hating God doing these things but perhaps the real hate is coming from you. Explore that possibility.
@6precious102 (4043)
• United States
19 May 12
God's intelligent system is: (1) Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. (2) Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you. (3) Stop feeling angry or resentful toward - Forgive.
@bird123 (10632)
• United States
19 May 12
So have you reached the point where you Love Unconditionally without hate or bias toward anyone?? Can you say that you do not want to strike back, punish, hurt or hate those who choose evil? Will you love those who disagree with your beliefs? Will you persecute those different from you or will you embrace and love them to learn what pieces of the puzzle they have that you are missing? Do you really have all the answers without those who do not think like you??
@6precious102 (4043)
• United States
20 May 12
Evil is remaining silent when you know the way to salvation.
Hating is when you know the truth but keep it to yourself.
Choosing evil is when you encourage people away from the true God by making outlandish claims that tickle their ears and makes them happy, but can only lead to destruction.
Punishing is when your lies contribute to someone's eternal condemnation.
I have and will continue to show my unconditional love toward my fellow human beings by telling them the truth even when it's not what they want to hear. I will provide as much evidence as possible so that what I say can be verified. I won't leave people groping in the dark when I can shed light on an issue. I won't tell people what they want to hear just to satisfy their wants. I won't lie to people to make myself look better in their eyes. Naaman may have been incensed that the prophet Elisha told him to wash 7 times in the Jordan, but it saved his life; and people may be incensed by what I tell them about salvation, but they are words of truth that will save them from an eternity separated from God.
You can't hide your head in the sand and pretend what is is not just because you don't like those things.
Of course I don't have all the answers, but one thing I do know - people need Jesus Christ in their lives. No one comes to God the Father except through His Son, Jesus.
What about you? How do you show unconditional love?
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@bird123 (10632)
• United States
20 May 12
6precious102. Sounds like you are making an entirely new set of rules for us. Is hating keeping truth to yourself??? Is that what hating really is???? Is there any hate involved when you call someone a liar???? Hmmmm???? Does anyone who speaks and it doesn't line up with your beliefs, really lie?? How can anyone contribute to someone's eternal condemnation when eternal condemnation doesn't exist???
Unconditional Love does not give what the other person wants. Unconditional Love gives what is in the Best interest of others. That is what I am doing in spite of the drama, anger, and hate coming my way. Do I love you 6precious102 unconditionally? Sure. Can't you tell??? You have all my Love and Kindness no matter what you say or do. Oh yes, Everyone has access to God. That relationship needs no middle man to be Great. Mankind likes to make rules about God, however God has always been open for everyone who seeks Him. Set the books down and discover for yourself. Real relationships do not require reading.
@matersfish (6306)
• United States
19 May 12
Mankind can devise better laws/rules by which to operate than have ever been decreed by anyone's god. We're here. We're now. We live in real-time and can empathize with other people and creatures and situations.
@matersfish (6306)
• United States
19 May 12
I didn't say mankind was perfect. I said we can devise a system better than a god.
I'm already better than one of the most popular gods where I live. I'm infinitely more moral than this god.
If I have a child and he or she doesn't love me or doesn't abide my rules, I won't torture and punish them for all eternity. In fact, I won't even start doing that. If my child turns out to be gay, I won't say I disapprove or that they're choosing to be that way and therefore they should stop those silly thoughts.
I won't say it's okay to own slaves. Ever. I won't suggest a woman should obey me. I won't drown people.
We don't need "god" in the picture at all to be better people and to have better laws. We can evolve as cultures and figure out how to better handle other people.
God was supposedly infallible from the start. An omnipotent god shouldn't need to evolve in its understanding and in its disciplinary actions. So I'm not sure what you mean when you say "God's system." I don't know which god you're referring to.
The god I know of condemns and judges people nonstop. As mere mortals, the peons we are, we don't have to do that. We can do better.
@bird123 (10632)
• United States
20 May 12
your quote; I said we can devise a system better than a god. My answer: I realize you are making this statement based on religion's view of God. They do not really know God at all. Further all those petty things you describe are lessons many must learn. They are a form of hate and it will take time for people who choose to hate to learn.
Mankind will learn and grow. Over time they will acquire the wisdom and knowledge needed to copy God's system thereby ending all hate. As you say, it does seem like so very far away. Still, one can travel even making baby steps. It just takes longer to get there.
The Real God is Unconditional Love with an IQ off the charts. God's IQ is so advanced it takes lots of thinking just to keep up. We are mere ants. Still, you would like God. Forget all you have been taught about God. Start over and discover for yourself rather than listen or follow others. Everything about God will add up just like all the physics of this world add up. Clearly, religion and their stories are created by mankind. They do not add up.
@bird123 (10632)
• United States
19 May 12
How is mankind fixing those they put in prison? I can't see much being done. Just like the latest artificial intelligence computers systems learn their way to the right answer,God's system is doing the same thing only with us. Intelligence will always make the right choice having experienced all sides. Computers are doing that, we are too. This is the reason God has no hate, condemning or judging. WE all understand in the end. Hate, condemning and judging will serve no real purpose. Further it will hinder progress toward the real goal.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
4 Jun 12
How odd that you would put intelligence and laws at odds.
One of the first great civilizations was also one of the first to codify laws. In fact, in my Anthropology class I learned that a code of laws was an essential element in calling a tribe or a group of tribes, civilized.
I think you just want to do away with law, so you will have an excuse to do as you please.
http://chnm.gmu.edu/worldhistorysources/d/267/whm.html
http://www.indepthinfo.com/history-ancient/mesopotamia.htm
It is because man is intelligent that he seeks to bring order out of anarchy.
@bird123 (10632)
• United States
9 Jun 12
You do not understand. I'm not putting intelligence and laws at odds. I'm trying to show you a view of greater intelligence than mankind that has ways beyond laws and rules. Like I said, God knows until mankind advances their intelligence further,they do not have the capabilities of creating a society without laws and rules. Really look around you and see. I have given you a real view of God. Understand how God thinks.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
4 Jun 12
And when order, law and order, are brought to society, it benefits that society as it frees up those who would otherwise have to defend their families 24/7 so they can do more productive work, like farming.
@iuliuxd (4453)
• Romania
19 May 12
Advances in artificial intelligence with computers is showing that more can be accomplished having a system Learn rather than merely program the computer with rules and laws.
You do know what artificial intelligence means ? If it can`t learn it`s not intelligence. 
Starting to see God yet????
Unfortunately from reading what you wrote i have to say that the answer is no.
P.S: What are the advances in artificial intelligence ?
Starting to see God yet????
Unfortunately from reading what you wrote i have to say that the answer is no.
P.S: What are the advances in artificial intelligence ? @bird123 (10632)
• United States
19 May 12
You do not have a clue what I'm saying here do you? Hmmm? Say you make a robot and want this robot to walk. You can program all the rules and laws by which will make it possible for the robot to walk OR you can program the robot to learn to walk based on the consequences of each trial action. Which robot will walk first? The learning one will walk first. It will take too much time and massive computers systems to make a rule for each possible variable to walking.
Basically, this is what God is doing with us. God isn't making a bunch of rules, regulations and laws for anyone. We are learning what is right by Learning through our free choices and understanding those choices when they return.
See God yet? Look beyond the surface of this world. You will see such things everywhere. Remember, God works on multiple levels with multiple views. There is multiple layered intelligence all over the place. Expand your view and thinking. It waits for you.
@iuliuxd (4453)
• Romania
19 May 12
Or if you want to talk about Science Fiction then you should read some books and you will see we first need some laws in order to create artificial intelligence.You can read about the laws of robotics written by Isaac Asimov.
A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.
A robot must obey the orders given to it by human beings, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Laws.
Then you can create artificial intelligence.
A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.
A robot must obey the orders given to it by human beings, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Laws.
Then you can create artificial intelligence.
@redhotpogo (4401)
• United States
28 May 12
I think you just answered your own question. Both. You can't have rules without intelligence, and without rules how could you say it was intelligent?
@PoppaDave (438)
• United States
4 Jun 12
Rules? Intelligence? How about Intelligent Rule where love is realized, shared, and practiced?
What about Obedience? How can we be intelligently ruled without Gods care and instruction? Again, someday...there will be a new world order and God himself will rule from his throne. It is already proven that men can not rule effectively.
A world ruled with inteligence is a world ruled by God!
God Lives!
I hope someday I live to see such an awesome thing occur!~
@bird123 (10632)
• United States
9 Jun 12
Yes, you are getting there. Your quote:I hope someday I live to see such an awesome thing occur!~ My answer: Really look around you. We are already there. God is teaching His children to love unconditionally as we speak. Look beyond the surface and See. You are right. God does Live!!
