criminals kitted out the house

@telmesh (1793)
May 28, 2012 1:57pm CST
How can Americans complain about Chinese cheap labour when their prisoners work for 25cents making everything up to domestic appliances. Coupled with that they will not allow imports of items made by forced labour.
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@millertime (1398)
• United States
29 May 12
When you say, "Americans complain about Chinese cheap labour", are you talking about the American people or the American government? Or did you see some protest group on the news and you think that is an accurate representation of the American population? Because I am an American and I have never once complained about Chinese cheap labor. What the Chinese do is there business and nobody else's. As to the prisoners, they aren't forced labour. Most of them chose to take whatever work is available in the prison just to fight boredom. They aren't there to get paid for working so what they get paid is really just a token. They are there because they broke the law, so I certainly don't think they should be rewarded with high pay for whatever work they are privileged to have while they are serving their sentence. If the American government chooses not to allow imports of items made by forced labor, it is because they are taking the position that they will not support or endorse the practice of governments enslaving their citizens. Do you think that's a bad position to take or are you just accusing all Americans of being hypocritical?
@telmesh (1793)
29 May 12
The complaints about cheap Chinese labour has actually come from these pages because so much in an American household come from China. I suggest that America has a cheap source of goods in it's prisons as they make a wide range of goods from dog tags to household appliances. I am not on the side of the prisoner here I think that in some way prisoners should help to cover the cost of incarceration. You've got it not allowing imports of goods made by forced labour whilst carrying out the same practice is hypocritical. These criminals are doing some jobs that honest hard working Americans could do and would pay tax to help run the country.
• United States
29 May 12
It always amazes me how many people that live in other countries consider themselves such experts on America and the American people. The complaints about cheap Chinese labour has actually come from these pages So you think that comments made by some people here on MyLot is an accurate representation of what all Americans believe? So I can assume that from your comments, everyone from your country has the same opinion and attitude toward Americans? Everyone in your country looks down on Americans and considers them all hypocrites? because so much in an American household come from China. Tell me, exactly how do you know what is in American households? not allowing imports of goods made by forced labour whilst carrying out the same practice is hypocritical. Did you miss the part about prisoners working in the prison is NOT forced labor? Comparing inmates working in the prison to a government forcing it's citizens into slavery is hardly a valid comparison. Inmates are not part of free society. They are incarcerated because they broke the law, but they still have the right to chose whether they work in the prison or not. They are NOT oppressed. If I made the type of blanket statements about another country and it's people that you are making about Americans, I would be accused of being a racist, prejudiced, etc. and drummed right off of MyLot. It seems though, that America bashing is okay. I see it all the time here. The self proclaimed "experts" on America can make disparaging and condescending remarks about Americans and it's accepted. The United States is comprised of the most diverse population anywhere, basically made up of people from every other country on the globe, yet somehow we get lumped in together and considered to all be like minded when it's convenient to the America bashers. Do you honestly think that all Americans believe in and agree with everything our GOVERNMENT does??? If there is one thing this conversation had done, it's to prove that you know absolutely NOTHING about Americans.
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@telmesh (1793)
29 May 12
Before you run off and have a tantrum. I will respond to how I know what's in American homes. In 2011 America imported $399 Billion of goods from China, now assuming that quantity of imports is not all in one home and that everyone has a share. That's a lot of items and they even make peanut butter. Just check your larder. I am not American bashing and to fly off the handle is not the way to carry out a discussion. I notice that you do not post lots of discussions so it is not easy to respond to yours.
• China
29 May 12
I am surprised to learn that the prisoners can get paid when they make something in prison.When it comes to cheap labour ,this is exactly why there are so many transnational companies.Many of them grab huge profits by taking advantage of foreign cheap labour .
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@telmesh (1793)
29 May 12
The idea is that prisoners can work to earn a little cash to buy luxuries but they are not what we would call luxuries. Not sure of your meaning of why this means that there are so many transnational companies making huge profits. It is true that there are very many international companies in China making huge profits but aren't they the ones paying good wages.
• China
30 May 12
Of course, prisoners who earn a little money by making something are quite anothing thing . It can't be mentioned with cheap labour in the same breath.What you talked about cheap labout remind me of the international companies,because many people that work for them earn the minimum.
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@telmesh (1793)
30 May 12
There is a misunderstanding arising here, are you saying that in China the big international companies pay the lowest wages. If this is true then that is the opposite to what we understand in Britain and the U.S.A.
@lampar (7597)
• United States
29 May 12
Prisoners here ain't making 25 cents making everything in America, it is just your wishful thinking , they are making much more than that amount over here, other than getting pay well, most of them also enjoy free rooms, food and entertainment while serving their time in prison, except freedom to roam outside the iron wall as they wish. We don't complain about Chinese labor at all, they are not paying cheap anymore like decade ago, their workers' wages are up faster than you can imagine, it is the world largest exporter in the world now.
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@telmesh (1793)
29 May 12
Sorry lamps the figure was a bit low it's probably more like 41 cents and yes I never suggested they made everything but they do make a range of items from dog tags to household appliances. I am in no way campaigning for fairer treatment of prisoners but do believe that for minor misdemeanour's these people need training to get them properly integrated into society. This is not easy as the first thing an ex-con needs when they leave prison is a job, not easy with a record and with few jobs available. I have plenty of complain here that American homes are full of goods made in China that could be made at home and this is because of the Chinese being paid 64 cents.
@lampar (7597)
• United States
29 May 12
But you need to understand that China doesn't has and operate its economy policy like western nations, it's a country where currency is tightly control and set to suit their export interests; minimum wage and age is not part of the labor law, compare to working in a local company and state owned company, the wage an ordinary Chinese worker get working in a foreign manufacturers' factory and its benefits is a lot higher and better comparatively, not even mention children can be legally employed by State's owned corporation for very low wages with no benefits. It is a lot complex than you can imagined how the various dynamic market and man made factors interweave inside China gigantic economy structure.
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@telmesh (1793)
29 May 12
To be fair lamps I was watching a program on TV and there were these so called facts flying around. So I did a bit of investigating and found the range of things made in prisons when I thought it was only dog-tags and registration plates. I thought do Americans know what's made in jail, I bet not. There are items that could be made by honest citizens to help bring down unemployment. Thinking also that all Americans knew they imported an awful lot from China with their awful human rights record I thought combining the two would be a good idea. Yes the system in China is difficult, what an understatement, until recently only one province paid good wages and that was were all the foreign companies were. The companies were not allowed to pay low wages by their governments. I really don't know whether that's changed yet.
@lady1993 (13032)
• Philippines
30 May 12
i have never heard about this before. That is just sad. MAking them work for so little.-- that is enslaving. In our country, our prisoners are given lessons on how to make different handicrafts and they are sold to otehrs.. I think prisoners get the profit or it helps improve the prison cells.
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@telmesh (1793)
30 May 12
They don't have to work but if they do they extras. Looks quite the same as your system.
@mentalward (14716)
• United States
28 May 12
I never wondered about how much they get paid, mainly because they ARE prisoners. They have more benefits than honest, hard-working Americans! They get free room and board, free medical care, free dental care, free education, they get to make all the phone calls they want and watch TV, they pretty much have a life of luxury. The only thing they don't have is their freedom. I think that paying them at all is ludicrous. These are CRIMINALS. They're supposed to be there to be punished for their crimes. Besides, you'd be amazed at the percentage of them who are there because they WANT to be there, because they get much more being in prison than if they were trying to make it as a free person. Giving them the pittance of a salary like this is enough for them to pay for the essentials they need like toothpaste, treats, etc.
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@telmesh (1793)
29 May 12
The labour force in America actually complain about the work done by prisoners taking jobs away from honest hard working people, it's not just licence plates that these criminals are making it's all sorts from dog tags up to domestic appliances. I'm not in support of crims here it's more about making things in America for Americans by honest hard working people who need a job. I'm not surprised at the likelihood that so many prisoners want to be locked up for the hotel style life.I expect the same happens in Britain as both countries lock-up more of their residents than other countries.