Philippines lending US$1 Billion to IMF.

@rsa101 (37987)
Philippines
June 21, 2012 1:20am CST
I read this news and made me think for a while. I just realized that our country is not bad after all since it said that we were able to pay our debts with IMF since 2006 and now we are the ones lending money to them to help European countries in financial trouble this time. http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/262617/economy/finance/bsp-chief-1b-loan-to-imf-will-earn-interest-goodwill What just struck me is despite this why is our economy not in good shape. We can see poverty spread all over the country. Why can we not use this excess funds too alleviate this lingering problems we have in our country.
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@louievill (28851)
• Philippines
21 Jun 12
Honestly I think or feel that if we have excess money, we should first concentrate on upgrading our defense capabilities ( although we had already began to upgrade)I think we still lack or are lagging behind. In my opinion, what good is doing business,education, infrastructure etc....if we cannot defend our sovereignty first as a nation from internal as well as external threat, we had neglected this for a long time due to corruption so it's high time we catch up, but then again it's just my personal opinion and others might have other ideas as to what to do with the money.
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@rsa101 (37987)
• Philippines
25 Jun 12
I guess the purpose of the government was to create goodwill in international community. I think for sometime in the past when our country needed their help they were the ones that provided help for us I think it is our turn to make a small gesture of returning the favor now that they are also financially troubled. I believe the government has still enough reserved and budget allocation for this defense as I read in the news Air Force is keen on buying new jet fighters in Korea. I just hope these proceeds would not be meddled with politics and controversy.
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@louievill (28851)
• Philippines
25 Jun 12
@rsa101, if it's simply for good will in the international community, then sorry but I beg to disagree, that line of thinking is very Filipino, please others first even if you need something so badly for yourself?. Yes the IMF loans helped us in a way but it was never "gratis" (totally free), tax payers like us had to pay every cent of the interest+ principal to get out of it. Small gesture? Think the former developed countries or what they call them selves now already got their fill of our natural resources, yes we shared it fair and square and to my opinion we are no way obligated to return any favor, on the other hand they are our friends and allies but let's not pretend that in our state now, that much would even be felt by them, let's get real!
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• Philippines
25 Jun 12
I do believe in what you've said.. Our defense and police capabilities must be upgraded. This can help so much in different ways. We can remold our image from those trials faced by the peace and order here in the Philippines. I'm not just sure if those new fighting jets and ships are purported to the threats from our opponents regarding scarbrshoul island. I also can't believe that there are no complications on the scene right now. Who would believe that China and Philippines are okay with each other if they can't solve the problem (neither of these two countries wants to give the island).. Even in the island, the ships of these two countries are having some misunderstandings. Hope it will not come to a point that war will be uplifted.
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• Philippines
21 Jun 12
There are several problems to be addressed first of all whee does all the extra vat duty go imposed since 2005 hard to see how the philippines benefits from this and we are too reliant on overseas remittances, and still unemployment is so high and many millions of families below the poverty level, the way i look at it they are only interested in the next upgrade for a credit rating.
@rsa101 (37987)
• Philippines
21 Jun 12
Tax is a different thing in here. According to the news report we were able to pay off our debts since 2006 and we have extra $ on our coffers. The question in here is why the government cannot use that fund to the many projects they should have done to address the poverty and other lingering problems we have on them. You are correct in saying that this is all about our credit rating. I think if we could afford to lend money then the international community would appreciate our efforts and once our credit rating rises then foreign investors might be interested in investing since we have a high credit rating.
@rsa101 (37987)
• Philippines
25 Jun 12
I do not think that government would lower taxes because of this. Once it increased seldom do I see that they lower it. I guess getting out of debt free is a good start to improve economy for as long as the reigns of the government do not go to another politician that would put our economy to shambles again. I think the policies made by the GMA administration had made a good start but then they were just haunted with lots of corruption allegations and abuse in power.
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@rog0322 (2829)
• Cagayan De Oro, Philippines
22 Jun 12
Actually, what makes tax relevant here is that the debt we formerly owe to IMF is being paid by us, taxpayers. It is not the rich politicians nor the big businesses that pay off this debt but from the bulk of the common man's earnings, whenever I buy an item, part of the price I pay goes to debt servicing, thus the bigger is the debt, the higher is the tax that should be collected to pay it off, the higher is the price of the item that is being taxed. Having paid off this debt should free us from that shackle, we should start feeling the winds of freedom from debt soon: lower taxes, lower prices, higher wages and a robust economic health in general. Moreover, being the lender, we are now the new masters as the old proverb goes "the lender is always the master to the debtor." I hope this development could be sustained for good. Let the corrupt elements be banished, onward to freedom land.
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@alphenor (686)
• Philippines
21 Jun 12
What the...that USD 1 Billion can give much improvement to the quality of public education in the Philippines. There are a lot people starving and jobless yet they did not say that they have THIS amount of money. Think about the number of people who can be fed and the number of jobless who can be taught entrepreneurial skills. This is a country not a business. Dammit.
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@alphenor (686)
• Philippines
21 Jun 12
No wonder they were so brave to push the K + 12 program despite the current situation of our country. They have THIS but they did not tell us. WHERE'S TRANSPARENCY, HUH?
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@rsa101 (37987)
• Philippines
21 Jun 12
It said in the news that we were able to pay IMF since 2006. That means that it is under GMA administration that this happened. And yet when Pnoy took over they were even saying the government coffers are empty. This is quite perplexing indeed. Why could we not use the funds to our local government projects?
@alphenor (686)
• Philippines
22 Jun 12
It indeed sounds fishy. With their transparency campaign and stuff, I demand a proper explanation regarding this. There are a lot of problems in our country that needs urgent solutions but here they are always making the country's money bigger. Investments from foreigners, country agreements and such...how about the condition of the Filipinos? The implementation of laws that were promised to bring a better and more orderly future for us. I don't mean to blame the government for this nor do I want to act like I did a lot for our country. But it's a controversial thing that demands an explanation, especially with the state of our country...not just our economy, but the country itself.
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@cttolledo (5455)
• Legaspi, Philippines
21 Jun 12
Exactly,they wanted to lend such amount because of the interest, while the government existing debt has much higher interest than what they expecting from that $1B loan interest.
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@rsa101 (37987)
• Philippines
21 Jun 12
Well according to BSP they are able to manage the few existing debt they have domestically. I think they are referring to debts to local banks and their treasury bills issued which is normal in every government institution. From what I heard from Ms. Monsod this AM we are earning only 0.3% of 1% interest from that money. LOL! that is roughly $270Million as Winnie said it.
@rsa101 (37987)
• Philippines
25 Jun 12
Yes you are right about that ybong007 we are trying to create goodwill to international community. With the stronger Peso vs. Dollar we have right now we are able to pay less dollars for our debts which is good for the economy. If things would stay right now we can really take advantage of this to payoff our remaining debts soon.
@ybong007 (6643)
• Philippines
22 Jun 12
This could be a move of the government to upgrade our credit rating. The higher the rating the lower the interest rate. This may not sound practical if we take a look at the problems we're facing but looking at it on a larger scale makes sense. The main reason why our debt payments hardly make a dent on the principal debt is that most of it goes to the interest. since there's no way we can pay the principal, they're looking for ways to bring down the interest because those are running in millions and the only way to bring down the interest rate is to show to the world particularly the IMF that we are financially healthy.
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• Philippines
21 Jun 12
Hmm that's quite good for our country. My last class was INCOME TAXATION and our professor told us about tax in relation to fiscal adequacy. Unfortunately, he said that every person in the country is indebted by Php 50,000.00 and that really implies that we lack funds. I just can't understand why the country doesn't want to exert more effort and pay all the country's debt (like now, Ph will buy 12 fighting jets costing 15billion pesos, if i'm not mistaken), and for us to be free.
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@rsa101 (37987)
• Philippines
21 Jun 12
Well I think that if we are able to lend to IMF then that is already good sign. I also read in the new about a week ago that government debt has gone down already. I guess we owe it with our OFWs who are remitting their $ despite the low exchnage rates which become advantageous to government since we can afford to pay our debtors and not default on our debtors.
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@rsa101 (37987)
• Philippines
21 Jun 12
I do not know but we just got debt free from IMF which before was our biggest creditor. I think getting out with IMF is good sign that we are able to pay them one at a time. I think what your professor is implying is our domestic debt from local debtor like the Treasury Bills issued by the Government.
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• Philippines
21 Jun 12
I don't think so. As far as i know, Philippines is indebted to the World Bank and other international institutions and organztions by a large figure= hundreds of billions to trillions. And that's why we, the citizens, are indebted from the time we are born. Luckily, the economy of the Philippines is getting so strong right now, reflected from the continuing decrease of foreign exchange rate. but filipinos earning online like us are on the side of disadvantages :D lol.. a us dollar now is equivalent to 42-43 pesos which is very low for us :( hehe
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@romzee (937)
• Philippines
13 Sep 12
The Philippines lending US$1 Billion to IMF is real proof that GMA had steered well our economy during the Global Economic Crises, unlike the press releases being made by the present government. Reserved money is very different from the government budget. All nations are required to have a national reserved. This reserve will guarantees that we have money to pay for all our dealings with other nations. This is the main purpose of a "national reserve". While we have able to pay our debt with IMF, the government international and local debts stood at P5,156.66 billion as of July 2012. http://www.treasury.gov.ph/news/news/NGdebtJul2012.pdf The stiff rise of poverty after the reign of Marcos dictatorship can be attributed to the Cory Constitution that limit foreign capitalization in the country, while all our neighbors are attracting foreign investors giving them the right for 100% capitalization. If not for our unsung heroes, our beloved OFW, pinulot na tayo sa kangkungan!
@rsa101 (37987)
• Philippines
29 Nov 12
Well I do not have any comment with that. It may be true but her administration did have many questionable dealings that overshadowed her achievements. I think she may have overlooked getting the right people that can help her look good in her administration. Her administration ended in such a way that her controversies were left unanswered and unresolved.
@romzee (937)
• Philippines
30 Nov 12
She was now paying high for being unfriendly and ruthless with the press during her time. She made the worst choice for herself in choosing her public relation officers. Although the past president GMA may not be good in other aspect of her presidency, the economic reforms she initiated will be her lasting contribution to our country.
@mensab (4200)
• Philippines
21 Jun 12
economically, we are in good shape. we have huge cash reserves in US dollars that keep on growing because of foreign remittances from ofws. we graduated from debtor to creditor since few years back. on poverty, the government can only do so much. individual citizens must do their part to help themselves to resist from poverty. what is good now in our country is that wealth is being produced. and it is time to share it with others.
@rsa101 (37987)
• Philippines
21 Jun 12
What perplexes me is that we have that much money but the government could not spend it on to help. I remember that when Pnoy started in his term he said the government coffers is empty and we should save while they never did mention that we have surplus money to afford lending to other country. That is kind of questionable right now.
@ptrikha_2 (45732)
• India
27 Jul 12
In fact, a few months back, even India pledged some billion dollars for Eurozone crisis to IMF or World Bank. Yet, there are many poor people in India also. I think when such countries pledge money, they expect to gain more in higher interest charged on certain loans given to companies facing huge debt. This is my personal view.
@lampar (7584)
• United States
29 Nov 12
You need to realize that Philippine government treasury department lend those money to IMF in return for high interests payment, they are not just given out to IMF for nothing. Philippine is not a poor country like most people like to believe nor it is very rich. I am sure those government officials know very well if the loan work out for the country, they can begin to collect interest payment soon compare to spending them in the economy to create job, the money may help in a stagnate domestic economy and create some works for the population, but the mathematic still work in favor of the treasury department, in turn making the government wealthier. They may have believe it is always better in this way.
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@rsa101 (37987)
• Philippines
29 Nov 12
I watched in the past about Solita Monsod Palma's commentary about this and she said the interest we have imposed on IMF is not that high since I know this loan would be reloaned to Greece by IMF at that time which is currently having problems with their economy. This is the first time that we lended money to other financial institution. IMF even praise us with the good economic turnout we are having right now. I just hope we can finally sustain this good standing on a long term basis.
@lampar (7584)
• United States
29 Nov 12
You may not think it is very high, but even hypothetically if it is a few percentage point below market rate normally charge by banks is more than enough to generate big sum of interest payment when the loan is in billion dollar. Spending them in the domestic economy won't guarantee such type of predictable return for the officials. It always work better for government officials when the treasury is full of money than half full even some segment of population may benefited from the economy growth with that billion dollar investment. The result is quite obvious, government officials always have their own interests first before all else, after all, it is always that way how government function, officials prefer themselves becoming richer than the common people in the street or those poor citizens in your country, since the election is over already.
@ybong007 (6643)
• Philippines
21 Jun 12
This is good news. Although we could surely make use of that money if it's spent in the Philippines. The thought that we are now lending IMF is one good tap at the back for all of us. It means we're better off to the world. And in a global economy, perception is important. Let's just hope that the interest would be spent wisely.
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@rsa101 (37987)
• Philippines
21 Jun 12
Yeah looking at the situation that we do not depend on loans from abroad to be able to operate our government is a big relief. But I never knew this that we were debt free from IMF since way back 2006. I wonder why we cannot apply it domestically to curb some problems that lingers in our country and we have to lend it instead. I heard Winnie Monsod is kind of questioning the $1 billion amount. It was a bit high for her while back home we are suffering with poverty and all kinds of problems.
@rsa101 (37987)
• Philippines
21 Jun 12
I guess you are right about that. To ensure that money would be implemented to a certain project it needs a lot of bureaucracy to be given to a certain project. Maybe that is the reason why Pnoy said there are no funds in the coffers when he took over the reigns from GMA administration. So I guess GMA has done something good since I think it was under her administration that we got out of IMF debt.
@ybong007 (6643)
• Philippines
21 Jun 12
I think I've heard about the Philippines lending money to the IMF a few years ago but I didn't realize that was in 2006. It's really mind boggling why we can't use that money to curb poverty but the way I understand it, the government can't just divert funds to projects without going through the usual channel if they would do so that entail passing a law, hearings and approval before the fund gets channeled to what ever government project it was intended for. Besides, our poverty is caused by the lack of jobs or the lack of the qualifications of the job hunter and the government can't just create jobs just for the purpose of giving people jobs, well, not at such magnitude anyway.
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• Philippines
25 Jul 18
Well, I wonder how did that benefit the country now. Unfortunately, it has something to do with the current President.
@acelawrites (19273)
• Philippines
6 Sep 18
I agree,the government should use that excess money to improve the living conditions of many of poor Filipinos.
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@rsa101 (37987)
• Philippines
6 Sep 18
I wrote this a ling time ago. It was still at the time of the previous administration. I just do not know if this still happens. We are facing a much more troublesome government than the previous administration.