Double speak

Australia
August 21, 2012 3:54am CST
On Honesty: "One man's lie is another man's judgement call". This is a quotation from a book about to be released in Australia, written by the leader of the ultra-conservative opposition. I actually have trouble sorting this one out. A lie is a lie, and whilst I might concede that one can lie deliberately as a judgement call, it is still a lie, and no matter how you look at it, it is not what you want to hear the possible future leader of your country say. On Poverty: "We just can't stop people from being homeless if that's their choice". Choice? Pardon me? How many people choose to be homeless? Kids will run away from an abusive family situation and end up on the streets, and that's a choice? A man in his 40s gets retrenched from a low paying job and loses his house because he can't pay the mortgage, and he ends up homeless, and that's a choice? Of course if you accept his statement it means you don't have to do anything about helping them, so it's at least a useul political tool, I suppose. On Climate Change: "Absolute crap". In face of the work of thousands of highly qualified climatologists and environmental scientists, in the face of the list of highly qualified and decorated Nobel Prize winning scientists and thinkers, all of whiom believe the science, this little worm intends to frame his environmental/energy platforms on the basis that he doesn't believe in climate change? On Female Equality: "But what if men are by philosophy or temperament, more adapted to exercise authority or to issue commands?" Ladies, before you come looking for him please warn me so I can get out of the way. This comes from a supposedly devout catholic who got a girlfriend pregnant and paid for her abortion as a student (public record), who described the late wife of a former Prime Minister, herself a highly qualified and ferociously intelligent and succesful human being as "a fine Consort for her husband". On Christian Teachings: "Jesus knew that there was a place for everything, and it is not necessarily everyone's place to come to Australia." Apart from the arrogance of thinking he can speak for the supposed Son Of God, the statement is simply and plainly stupid. The hidden agenda is that he wants an excuse for sending asylum seekers (whom he refers to, quite wrongly, as illegal immigrants) to offshore processing centres in countries that have not signed the UN protocols on huiman rights. This is exactly what is meant by a reactionary, and his ideas go way beyond mere conservative politics. And he's a bloody Christian, quel surprise. Lash
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
21 Aug 12
He does sound like a fool; unfortunately, the Christian religion does not prohibit fools from claiming to be a part of the church.
• Australia
22 Aug 12
He's also the standard bearer for reactionary politics in this country, a homophobe and male supremicist, a hypocrite (viz. the abortion), an elitist, and if he gets into power, Australians will collectively suffer from toxic shock syndrome. I have been thinking a lot lately about ideology, and wondering how much I am driven by it, so I have been analysing my value set. I was brought up as a moderate conservative, and I still have a belief in some of those values, although, as I have been quite clear, I am now (and always have been) violently opposed to reactionary ideology. I have a fair bit of sympathy for some liberal/left views, particularly in the social arena, but I have little more time for left-wing economics than I have for conservative Capitalist economics. I believe in the profit principle, but am violently opposed to viral (toxic) Capitalism. Economically I am radical Green, but there are many things within the Green ideology with which I have issues, some which I oppose. If I had to put figures on it, I would guess that my make-up is about 20% moderate conservative, 30% left/liberal, and 50% radical Green. In most cases, I judge an issue on its own dynamic rather than through any ideological imperative. I'm sure most moderates would be able to come up with something similar, but reactionaries, like religious fundamentalists, are the furthest possible thing from moderate, and appear to be exclusively driven by ideology, and no amount of factual or inductive reasoning has the slightest effect on them. I'm over it. He would fit perfectly with the ultra-conservative, reactionary wing of your Republican party. His religious views would sit well with the most fundamentalist Muslim imam, or Bible Belt loony. This reactionary movement which seems to be sweeping the world, no doubt a reaction to the ever-increasing uncertainty of life on planet Earth, is a disaster in the making. He has the potential, I fear, to go down in history on an honour role which includes Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, and the Gang Of Four. He will be allowed to do so because the vast majority of human beings are politically apathetic and easily led. And stupid. And now, perhaps, I should say what I really think about him. Lash
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
22 Aug 12
I was raised by a Democrat mother and an atheist father who abhorred politics, having a father from Germany must have influenced him in that. (not the atheism) lol I believe in the green movement, just don't like when stupid politicians use it to get more money. I believe that everyone should be able to live as they wish, with who they wish and act in a manner that pleases them, until they try to push their lifestyle on me. And did I mention that when politicians get involved it makes me cringe? I believe that the American Constitution, interpreted as the founders wrote it, and with the amendments added, guarantees about the most protection for human rights as any document written by man can. I guess you can say I am pretty much a libertarian in my thinking. Live and let live. But of course, I am a Christian too. And I try real hard to live by the teachings of Christ, my human frailties often get in the way, but I acknowlege that and move on. I am what you might call, a Constitutionalist Libertarian with Christian conservative overtones. lol I really do not like putting myself or others in boxes. Human beings are much more complicated than any label can do justice to.
• Australia
23 Aug 12
I've just discovered that the book is not by Abbott, it's a collection of his public gaffes called "The Wisdom of the Abbott", as his enemies call him the Mad Monk. Here's another one of them. A champion of women's rights: 'I think it would be folly to expect that women will ever dominate or even approach equal representation in a large number of areas simply because their aptitudes, abilities and interests are different for physiological reasons.' A prince among troglodytes. Lash
@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
25 Aug 12
Oh gosh...this guy sounds like a guy running for office here. He really messed up when he was talking about abortion and rape. http://www.towleroad.com/2012/08/akinforgive.html There is a quote on this website of part of what he said..lol..not a referral link. He is against abortion even under rape circumstances and he made a comment that rocked people here..LOL...bad bad call. Lies and judgement calls huh? Well...some people have to have a way to justify it and I guess that is as good a reason as any other..especially from someone that takes telling a lie so lightly.
• Australia
25 Aug 12
Oh believe me, I've spent a lot of wasted energy in that thread. I will be doing another discussion on the Mad Monk tomorrow. Lash
• United States
25 Aug 12
You don't expect a politician to tell the truth do you? They have to lie to get into office and lie to remain in office! To them a teen decides to leave , they better make it on their own.And that no one is suppose to help. that is how they made it so can't others? These guys Never will believe in climate change. All the data in the world will never convince them. To them a woman's job is to have their children, period! All other things she does is extra. I'm not surprised.
@RawBill1 (8531)
• Gold Coast, Australia
25 Aug 12
The man definitely does not have enough appeal to make me go out and vote for his party. But neither do any of them really. I don't care enough about politics in order to support one or the other, I just vote for the underdog because I dislike the duopoly that the major parties have. Politicians are mostly horrible creatures who have no interest in the welfare of the masses. They are only interested in pleasing their party so that they stay in power. You mention above that he is homophobic, but isn't his sister a lesbian? I heard that he was supportive of her for a long time before she came out.
• Australia
25 Aug 12
He's one of those fools who will tolerate lesbianism and shoot poofters. I will be starting a dicussion soon on lying politicians, as a direct result of the 7.30 Report interview in which he said one thing, three times, and then denied it the next day, saying he'd been misunderstood. Then Hockey came out and gave him an alibi - "I was there when he read that document (that he said he hadn't read on National TV) at 3.45 PM. As it happens, Joe must be a magician, since at that moment he was in the Chamber debating a bill. Jesus wept! Well, he would if he was here. Lash