What is this friend really after?

United States
December 9, 2012 2:52pm CST
I made a contract with an acquaintance to sell him property on a promissory note. The note states that he has three years to obtain his own financing and put the note in his own name. The three year time period expires in January 2013. This man has demanded every month that he has made a payment to me that I put him on the bank account that opened for him to make convenient deposits. I didn't bank with a 'chain' bank, but a mom and pop type. He insisted that I open an account with his bank so that he would be able to make the payments on line. I know absolutely nothing about on-line banking and don't want to use it for my bill pay. Each month he gripes and grumbles that he can't make an on-line transfer and that he must be listed on my account. I just continue to say no, and he just continues to find reasons to insist that I put him on the account. Can someone explain to me how bill pay works and how deposits work and give me a solution to this problem? I will NEVER add his name to my account, my kids aren't even on my account. All I use the account for is receipt of this money. Still, I know it is STUPID to put someone else on a banking account. I would be responsible! Why can't he use his phone to deposit the money into my account? Why can't he just transfer the funds from one account to the other? It is the same bank. I don't understand!
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@chrystalia (1208)
• Tucson, Arizona
10 Dec 12
If he banks online with any major bank, all he needs is the account number and the routing number for DEPOSIT transfers--and he can use that to make a between bank transfer. He may not want to because some banks charge fees for inter-bank transfers--but oh well. You do NOT have to list him on your account, nor should you. The fact that he is repeatedly asking for this is rather troubling, because while some banks allow people to listed only as depositors to an account, others only allow other listees full account privileges, which would be a violation of your privacy. I would ask your bank if there is a way he can use online banking to deposit the money without having actual access to your balance or account information--with most banks there is, but regulations vary from state to state. I do know that with your account number and the deposit routing number, he can't take money, or see any information-- he can only put it in. My other half does that regularly, when he transfers money from his bank in Tucson to mine in Washington, and the same when I transfer money that way, to him and to other people or companies. I use bill pay online for all my bills--I haven't mailed a physical payment in years.
• Tucson, Arizona
10 Dec 12
my bank online bill pay is free, as a matter of fact--even when they have to cut a check and mail it, as with one of my utility bills. I know with Bank of America, it's free 99.99% of the time to transfer money, and always free for bill pay that isn't international--so I don't know what his problem is, really. It also seems funny that he hasn't gotten his own financing yet, after almost three years--I mean if it was bugging him so much, you'd think he would have done that as quickly as possible. I know I would--that's why we aren't going to try to get our house back until we can pay at least half the cost to the guy holding it now, and finance the rest--because we don't want to go the promissory note route. If something awful happens again, we'd rather a bank gets stuck with the problem than a friend--that mau sound bad, but that's how we feel. If he has the account number and the bank name, all he has to do is call the bank and get their deposit routing number, and use online bill pay. I don't know of ANY online bill pay systems that require more than that. Or he can probably even do it by phone. What he is trying to claim doesn't make sense, to me--even our smallest credit union here (and it is TINY) can do that.
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• United States
10 Dec 12
I believe that his is free as well. I think that for whatever reason, and I can't guess, that he thinks that he has the opportunity to be placed on the account. I certainly never gave him that idea. I only opened the account at 'his' bank so that he would be able to make the transfers. I don't know why he keeps badgering me over it, but I assured him and others that he will never be on my account. I don't have anyone on my accounts. Even if there is a small fee...others seem to still use the service because of the convenience. I think the fee compared to the gas to drive to the bank would probably be a wash.
• United States
10 Dec 12
Yes, and I have many other people who tell me that they pay everything online. I gave him the account number to make the deposit and that was going out on a limb for me. His account is with the same bank that I opened this account in. I have to make six withdrawals by debit to keep from paying a fee on the account. This is 'costing' me, if you will, so if there is a small fee for him to pay by tranfer I don't understand why he doesn't pay it. He claims that it is too difficult for him to drive to the bank to make the deposit. None of that makes sense to me because I make my deposits to my bank using the ATM deposit feature and it is a simple free process. It would seem to me that what amount of gas it would cost him to drive six blocks to the bank would offset the fee online bill pay costs. Not only that, wouldn't he also be paying a fee on his other online bill pay? I don't do any online banking so I really have no understanding of the process or the limitations.
• St. Peters, Missouri
9 Dec 12
You are very smart for not adding him to your account. With his name on the account, he would have every right to the money in the account that you do. If he agreed to pay you monthly, not monthly as long as you make things easier for him, then it's his obligation to get the payment to you. Not your obligation to make it easier for him. With that logic, you really don't need to do anything. It is as it is. (Besides that, it's over in less than one month). Bill-pay should be very easy to set up as long as his bank has it. He can simply set up an automatic payment from his account to yours for the exact amount. He should be able to say what day of the month he wants the payment to be transferred. Unless his bank doesn't have it. In which case, he's the one that needs to change, not you. This is how I pay my landlord. In fact in my case, a paper check is cut and mailed to her. I don't have to do anything. I'm not on any of her accounts. I don't even know where she banks. All she cares about is receiving my rent monthly and on time. It's not her worry to deal with how I make sure that happens. The same for you. It's not your worry how he makes it happen. That's his problem. If he needs something from you in order to use bill-pay, he needs to find out exactly what that is and he needs to ask you for it. Telling you to put him on the account is just insane.
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• United States
10 Dec 12
It is simply amazing. First, he asked me to open an account at a 'chain' bank so that he could put the money in the account. I did that only because I thought as much as I travel it could prove to be beneficial to me as well to have a bank that I could access from several locations. Then he said that he couldn't transfer from his account to mine. I suggested paypal. He said that wouldn't work. I suggested depositing by his phone. To every suggestion I made, he responded that he needed to be on the account. I just keep saying that I don't know what to say. Everyone else can figure out how to pay through all of these online bill pay and I don't understand why he can't. It makes no sense to me.
• St. Peters, Missouri
10 Dec 12
I agree with another poster. I don't generally like to look for dishonest motives in others, however his continued insistence on being on your account despite other methods being available sends up red flags for me. Not to mention the fact that he would have full access to your account and money, I would be afraid of identity theft. 3 years seems an awfully long time to hang around if the intent is to scam, but in my book, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and swims like a duck, it probably is a duck. This sounds super "scammy" to me. Don't know his true intentions, but I'd be willing to bet they aren't to get you the money you're owed.
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• United States
10 Dec 12
The guy is supposed to just be paying me monthly payments and it seems that every month or two he brings up that he needs to be on the account for some reason or another. It just seems very strange that even after three years that he hasn't given up on trying to get on my account.
@dragon54u (31636)
• United States
10 Dec 12
He may have an ulterior motive. He might want a bank account that he can use for some shady dealings, who knows? You need to tell him that's how it is and will stay and if can't deal with it he can cancel the contract and lose all the money he's paid. Well, maybe not that drastic but you could even suggest he simply take 2 minutes to make out a check and mail his payment to the bank. I'm sure you know that you're liable for the behavior of whomever is on your account. I think he wants to do something not quite legal or at least unethical using your bank account. Otherwise, why all the griping? Good for you for refusing to give in!
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• United States
11 Dec 12
That is my thought exactly. I just can't figure out what the activity is and why it is so important to him to be on the account. I have almost come to the conclusion that it just boils down to winning. It can't still be about inconvience of making the payment...not after three years! It has to be that he wants to 'win'; that he will get his way. I just can't imagine.
• United States
10 Dec 12
It sounds to me like you already did more than what is required to help him make his payments. I have never paid on a mortgage that the lender/landlord set up a special account just for my ease. The responsibility is on him and if he keeps acting foolish you could just close the account because it's "costing" you too much.. then let him figure out how to make a payment like normal people!
• United States
10 Dec 12
That is what I just don't get, I guess. Why the constant barrage after so much time. Does this guy just never give up? Is it about winning now, rather than about fees and inconvenience? I just know that with all the pressure that I'm looking for answers for how the whole online bill pay works and what it is exactly that this is all about. I have never done online banking and don't have any idea what, if any, the fees are. It would seem they must be minor because all the people using this type service would refuse to use the convenience if it were cost prohibitive??!!
10 Dec 12
I agree with the others who have commented. Everything sounds like you have it set correctly. The only thing about having the same bank would help is quicker transfer time. I get my friend's transfers who has the same bank as mine instantly. If he insists on another method consider paypal since it is still secure with separate accounts. If he keeps complaining I would just gently remind him that you are doing him a favor sort of considering if he bought from a company or bank the process would be more rigid and you are being as accommodating as possible.
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• United States
10 Dec 12
Since the contract calls for him to find his own financing within a three year period and he has already asked for an extension, I think that I may only extend for one more year and then insist that he get his own financing or we close the deal. I just know that I'm sick of being badgered about not putting him on the account. You know, I doubt even his own mother has him on her account. Why in the world would he even entertain the notion that I would add him to mine?