Father of arab chemistry

Father of arab chemistry
India
June 12, 2017 6:45pm CST
Islam is not backward...!! Geber is not his name.He is jabir ibn haiyan.I dont know why dont western world use islamic scientists name??
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@Tierkreisze (1609)
• Philippines
13 Jun 17
It probably has something to do with the way that things were spelled back then. Phonologically, "Jabir" is close to "Geber" so the people back then who couldn't spell his name the way Islamic scientists did spelled it as that. They even had the habit of making feminine-like names into muscular.
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• India
13 Jun 17
Yes..you are right!!
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@owlwings (43915)
• Cambridge, England
13 Jun 17
When Jabir ibn Haiyan's name was first transliterated, the letter 'J' did not have the 'dzh' sound that it is now used for. It was, in fact, a terminal form of 'i' (you will be familiar with terminal forms of letters, since you know Arabic) and was used both for the sound 'i' and the consonantal sound 'y'. The letter 'G' at the time had two values (as it does today): the soft sound, 'dzh', as in 'general' and 'genuine' and the hard sound 'g' as in 'give' and 'get'. The only wriiten vowel in the Arabic original is the 'alif which is transcribed in Jabir's name as 'a' macron (the letter 'a' with a line over it to indicate a long 'a' sound as in the word 'mate'. In mediaeval Europe, this sound would be represented by the letter 'e'. The vowel between the 'b' and the 'r' is not written in Arabic but is a short vowel which is something like both 'i' and 'e' to an European's ear. The name 'Geber' is therefore an old version of the modern transliteration 'Jabir' (the letter 'a' should, correctly, have a macron over it but myLot - for reasons best known to itself - can't reproduce it!). The older form, 'Geber' is sometimes used when referring to old texts and translations (and also to some Latin texts not by him but attributed to an anonymous author referred to as 'pseudo-Geber') for the sake of clarity. There is no 'right' or 'wrong' way to transliterate his name in Roman script. There is simply an old way and a modern way.
• India
13 Jun 17
Thank you for your info.This is how jabir is translated into geber. My question is what is the purpose to change?? many scientist's names are used in their mother tongue. My point is..western world denies especially islamic names. Even the name Ali ibn sina(avicenna)has the same problem.when the people hear the names geber and avicenna..they think,those guys were not muslims!!
@owlwings (43915)
• Cambridge, England
14 Jun 17
@Noorulh I don't think that people have forgotten that these scientists and mathematicians were Muslim so much as that their religion is largely irrelevant to the fact that they contributed so much to early mathematics and science. We don't, after all, bother how Plato, Aristotle, Euclid or Dioscorides worshipped nor is it really important whether Einstein or Galileo were Christian or not. Religion is only of a secondary importance to the discoveries of these people inasmuch as it was an influence on the philosphical climate of the time in which they lived.
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• India
14 Jun 17
@owlwings thanks again for your comment.I agree some of your points.
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