A Period of Stupidity Remembered

@porwest (78759)
United States
October 24, 2020 8:17am CST
I often talk about my love of money, and the importance of saving and investing. But I am often reminded that I have not always used my noggin for all its worth over the years, and it has cost me dearly. For a period of about three years (maybe it was more like 5), I became involved in penny stock investing. My aim was to speed up the process a bit and make more money. It did not quite work out that way. Penny stocks tore my butt up! I lost $20,000 in a Chinese telecommunications company I bought. I lost $6,000 in a Mexican craft beer company. I lost $8,000 in a bank deal. I lost about $10,000 in a Chinese fish farm in Hainan, China. I lost about $6,000 in a health drink company. I lost about $1000 in a company that was supposed to overtake Dolby. Those are some I remember. Ouch. Luckily my senses on more tried and true companies is much better, and so I have been able to make up for it. My main point here is to remind people (including myself) that yes. There is always risk in investing. But through the process you keep learning. You learn from your mistakes, and certainly you learn from your losses. But you keep at it. You hunker down and figure out what works and what does not, and stop doing what doesn't work and focus in on what does work. You win some, you lose some. But that should never keep someone away from the process of getting ahead. Because despite my losses and some poor decisions and some bad investments... I am still much farther ahead than if I had done nothing at all. It's sort of like riding a bike. The first time I tried to ride one I fell on my butt. Had I given up I'd never have figured out how to stay upright. AND, I also realize that even once I have figured out how to stay upright... I will still fall on my butt from time to time and that's okay. I'll still keep riding. And if I do it right, I will fall on my butt less often than I will stay upright.
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@maximax8 (31053)
• United Kingdom
16 Nov 20
At least you had a go with investing and sorry you lost so much money. I will begin with index funds as they are for at least 500 of the best performing companies. I wouldn't like to invest in a single company. I began paying into a pension and that money is invested on the stock exchange. I will keep saving in it fot the next 20 years.
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@maximax8 (31053)
• United Kingdom
19 Nov 20
@porwest It is excellent that you have been investing for years. It is lovely you make money in different ways. Have you heard about the reset that is meant to happen?
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@porwest (78759)
• United States
20 Nov 20
@maximax8 Not sure what you mean by reset.
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@porwest (78759)
• United States
19 Nov 20
Well, I had already been investing for many years, and continue to do so today. This was just a period in which I tried to amp things up a bit. I am actually deeply involved in the stock market, and use many different strategies to make money. It's actually been quite successful for me thankfully. But it does not mean the hiccups hurt less. lol
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@lovebuglena (43081)
• Staten Island, New York
24 Oct 20
Some people are stubborn and continue to do the wrong thing and then end up paying for it. Perhaps investing in the stock market is a good idea but you have to be able to allocate money for that and be okay with possible losing it all. My dad used to do that and he even had a margin account and then he lost it all.
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@lovebuglena (43081)
• Staten Island, New York
2 Nov 20
@porwest It's very easy when you have margin to borrow way more than you should.
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@porwest (78759)
• United States
5 Nov 20
@lovebuglena For some it surely can be. With any form of "borrowing," if one can fully grasp it's not their money and they have to pay it back, it helps to keep things in check.
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@porwest (78759)
• United States
2 Nov 20
The key, for me, is knowing what I am doing. Doesn't mean mistakes still won't be made. But there are a ton of ways to hedge and lessen the pain from a bad decision. Most of the time the process gains more than it loses. As for margin. I use it too. But I am VERY restrained in my use of it, and any use of it is very well calculated.
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@snowy22315 (170326)
• United States
24 Oct 20
Live and learn as they say, however the first rule of investing in stocks is not to invest more than you can afford to lose. What do you think of those Schwab slices? They seem to be getting some good reviews.
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@porwest (78759)
• United States
24 Oct 20
I like the idea of it. The Schwab slices. I think more and more companies will start offering things like this, and it is a great way for people with less money to at least get into the markets. I won't use the offerings, simply because I can afford to and prefer to buy whole shares. But I think it is a great way to bring more people into the world of investing for sure.
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@thelme55 (76481)
• Germany
24 Oct 20
That is good advice. I am scared to invest.
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@porwest (78759)
• United States
24 Oct 20
One should never be afraid to learn something new. We all know nothing about anything until we know something about something. I know that sounds convoluted. But imagine if we approached all things in life that way? We'd do nothing at all and accomplish nothing at all. Why did you never drive a car? I didn't know how and I was scared to drive. Why did you not take the job? I didn't know what it would entail was scared it might not work out. Why did you not have a baby? I didn't know how to be a parent and I was scared I might not be good. In the case of money, I am more scared of not having any than trying to have more of it. But it, like most things, is not something you blindly just do. You read and you listen and you learn, and one day you have an idea what you are doing, and then it is not so scary anymore. And then one day you are doing it and you cannot imagine why others don't. And then you write posts like mine saying get off you duff and just do it!
@LindaOHio (156852)
• United States
24 Oct 20
Ouch! Those were some hard lessons. I did much better with penny stocks. I'm glad you're on the right track again. :-)
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@porwest (78759)
• United States
24 Oct 20
They were VERY hard lessons. And damn expensive too. lol. Luckily I am much better at the regular stuff in the markets, otherwise I'd be writing a very different bit of posts than I typically do around here.
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@JimBo452020 (42629)
• United Kingdom
26 Oct 20
I've been reasonably lucky with investments. Kept it to the bank and done ok. Even through the crisis in 2008. But you are right, it involves risks. We all fall down now and then, it's how we get back up that counts. And learn.
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@porwest (78759)
• United States
30 Oct 20
I do keep some money in the bank. I prefer a savings with a rather high interest rate. Most savings accounts wind up costing money since the inflation eats at any interest you might get. But liquidity at some level is important too. As for the markets, win some, lose some, but hopefully win more than lose.
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