Airline safety, are we safer?

United States
December 10, 2006 2:17pm CST
After 911 there was so much concern of getting cockpit doors reinforced, arming pilots, training flight crews in self defense, and let’s not forget those out right constitutional violations. But, where are we now, are the airports and airlines any safer? I'm mean do you truly think that if you pay someone minimum wage they are going to do their best? Security personnel need to be well "TRAINED" not just off the island, appointed by welfare, the courts or unemployment!
43 responses
@lauriefnp (5113)
• United States
10 Dec 06
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And the PROUD
I think that we are definitely much safer than we were after 9/11. The government has been extremely responsible and diligent in devising better security strategies and enforcing these measures. But these terrorists are crazy and clever, so who knows when they will come up with a way around the systems and security that we have in place?I, along with many other Americans, felt secure flying before 9/11; I am an extremely nervous flyer (and I have to fly at least twice a month for my job), and I can honestly say that before 9/11 my only concern was that the plane would crash. Hijacking and terrorism never occurred to me, although I knew that hijackings can occur. For a while after 9/11 I was a nervous wreck about terrorists, but I now once again feel secure that everything that is being done is being done, and that is all we can expect. The 9/11 plot was actually remarkably ingenious, and I don't think that any amount of vigilance on the part of the airport screeners would have stopped the attacks. America was unprepared for such an event, because that horrific crime was unprecedented in our history; we know better now. 9/11 has taught us a lot, and one of the lessons is that there are evil people out there waiting to destroy life, and we always have to stay one step ahead of them. I pray that we never have to experience the devastation caused by 9/11 again, and I give kudos for the government for their vigilance.
• United States
10 Dec 06
A well stated argument. I too have concerns about how poorly paid screeners are, and there have been breaches of security requiring a shutdown of the entire airport (out in Silicon Valley, for example) since 9/11. But you are quite correct in saying that the security screeners probably wouldn't have been able to stop the 9/11 hijackers. A better system by the FBI should be in place in airports (on suspected terrorist profiles...that is, individuals who are suspected to have connections with terror groups) but this takes time.
• United States
11 Dec 06
You honestly think that the government has taken responsibility for what happened? As for being diligent, I will have to disagree... The government caused all of this by trying to save a buck. I mean they cut airport security funding by half prior to 911. Now they want to take charge and blame the airlines. Really, the airlines are literally starving. Airlines rarely merged 5-10 years ago, now it’s every month. Look at A/A they were the biggest American airline, now their sizing down and paying less to their employees. I’ll give you this one… there are a lot of people just like you and I that take our way of life for granted. A great example is security; we have the best and worst of almost everything the world has to offer including Hijackers. I’ll give you this one too, they could have had 8,000 screeners at the gate it wouldn’t have prevented 911 from happening. Why? Because they didn’t get the weapons on the planes thru security check points. Someone who worked for the airlines put those weapons on the planes way before they even boarded… Thanks for your comment!
@momofvma (71)
• United States
13 Dec 06
Here is my take on this, I have flown since 911 and I have felt totally safe, the security at the airports is pretty tight and even though there are long lines and many upset people because they have to take off there shoes, and there coats and have to have there bags checked out to me it is all a part of trying to keep us safe. Is anything fool proof?? No, is there every going to be "enough" done? No that to me is just a fact of life are we safe walking into a bank? There are more reports of people holding up banks and bringing weapons into the public areas like that more so then air planes being hijacked. Should our government spend more to hire and train good professional employees? Yes, will they? no highly doubt it. I have taken this approach to flying, if it is my time to go, it is my time to go. I do however feel better with the type of security we have now compared to what we had before 911.
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• United States
14 Dec 06
Good points! Thanks for your comments
• United States
11 Dec 06
The whole system is a waste of money just implemented to reassure passengers. Honestly, nearly every "security" guard ive met is incompetent and are draining the economy.
• United States
14 Dec 06
Great point!
• Singapore
11 Dec 06
most of the time, protocols are being followed, however terrorists have always researched and studied so that they will be able to exploit that single flaw the security have failed to cover. nothing is infallible, but no doubt airline safety now is being secured heavier due to the 911 attack.
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@Ambur25 (1007)
• United States
11 Dec 06
I have never been on a plane and never had to deal with the "safety features" that are now in play in air ports. I think after 911, people are glad that there are more security features. But, there are people who still complain that it takes too long. But, how long would you wait to stay alive?? If I flew often, I would simply leave a bit earlier and go through the process that was set in play to keep us safer.
@JC1969 (1227)
• United States
11 Dec 06
I do not think we will ever be able to 100% secure our airports and airlines. Some of the measures taken are band-aids, and will do nothing more than to make people think they are safer, while possibly infringing on constitutional rights in the process. Unless we are willing to train airpor security personnel, the way we train our military, in regards to teaching them to properly identify and scrutinize the surroundings they are watching, and then how to properly handle the situations, I don't think our airports will ever be totally safe. And, even if they are properly trained, I don't believe we will be 100% secure. I do agree with you. We cannot hire just anybody, or anyone with limited intelligence and training to be responsible for securing the airports. I think poor training and poor pay can definitely be a hinderance to our security.
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@blueman (16516)
• India
11 Dec 06
i do think they are a lot safer then when these measures were not taken though you have to bear the inconvenience for security sake but thats only for the good of you. there can be some loopholes left but in public security i do not think you can have perfect security.
@neilf49 (810)
10 Dec 06
On a recent long haul trip I was very impressed with the security staff at all the airports we went through. The scanning machines were well operated, the metal detectors were used correctly and I think I was either frisked or had the detector wand passed over and around me at all ports. Both my wife and I were required to empty cabin baggage on some occasions because the xray machine operater couldn't be sure of some items. This was at both international and domestic airports. I think therefore that the arguement that because someone is poorly paid they are not going to do a good job does not stand up to scrutiny. My conclusion is that we have to pay great thanks to those who perished on 9/11 as it has unquestionably increased the security at all ports and therefore made flying so much safer.
• United States
10 Dec 06
Kudos’s to that airport, for hiring and training their people right! However, I will disagree with the wage issue. In my experience the workers that are screening baggage and passengers are under paid and not well trained. Airports will hire the lowest bidder. I've seen both good and bad, but mostly bad. I do agree with your ‘great thanks’ comment, absolutely these folks didn't deserve to die like that, and neither did the rescuers… Thanks for your comment!
@neilf49 (810)
10 Dec 06
The airports we went through were Manchester, UK, Amsterdam, Holland, Manila, Philippines both International and domestic and finally Singcang, Bacolod City Philippines. The last three are probably some of the lowest paid workers on airports around the world, but they were doing a great job.
@suedarr (2382)
• Canada
11 Dec 06
I personally feel safer flying today, then before 911 occurred. I understand your concerns, but at least there is a greater awareness about security issues today than there obviously was before it happened.
• United States
14 Dec 06
I must disagree with you... During my travels I was going thru an Airport in TX. I was sitting at the gate waiting for the plane to board when I noticed an unattended laptop sitting on a chair next to an elderly couple. I eye balled the laptop for a minute or two before I went over to the couple to ask if they knew who owned the laptop. They both said no, they didn't even see anyone sitting behind them. I tried to find a security guard, cop, someone who could alert the police. I ran over to a gate agent and the woman said "someone must have accidentally left it behind", she said she would come and get it. I stopped her in her tracks; I said like hell you will...call the police now! She did, but it took them 15-20 minutes to stroll by. The fat cop wasn't even concerned with anyone’s safety. He just bent over closed the laptop and walked off. Now call me crazy, but that was the stupidest thing I have ever seen anyone do. If that was a bomb, I wouldn't be responding to your comment...
@padhukr (2267)
• India
11 Dec 06
no idea.
@JC1969 (1227)
• United States
12 Dec 06
Then why did you answer if you have no idea? MyLot writer's guidelines states that if you do not know how to answer a question or give a response to a certain discussion, you are to skip over it. Why should MyLot pay you to add nothing of value to a discussion? So, do you have anything to say about the security of the airports in America?
• India
11 Dec 06
well dude strict dedication would pay off since every one or the other has to fly someday or the other once in his life time...... dedication of the officials would pay off
• United States
14 Dec 06
Your saying they need to be more dedicated to their JOB? I think you may be on to something. Now a day it’s all about the paycheck...
• China
11 Dec 06
After 911, all the countries seems the airline safety as a big issue and take many different measures to reinforce police stuff and to avoid such things to be happened again. Apparently, I believe those actions are very effective, and airplane are safer than before.
• United States
14 Dec 06
Ah okay, I'll buy that for a dollar
@ambara (345)
• Indonesia
11 Dec 06
security is trulli important, but i believe they will do their best for secure our life.
• United States
14 Dec 06
Please elaborate...
@Devinarun (387)
• United States
11 Dec 06
aeroplanes - up in the air
airlines are now considered the fastest mode of transport and so people prefer it to other modes of transport.regarding its safety is yet to be found out.it is already consisderd to be a target by most of the terrorists.
• United States
14 Dec 06
I don't get it??
@raintree (16)
• United States
11 Dec 06
I understand your indifferent toward the amount of security that is in place. No one can ever be 100 percent safe. And what is now in place people are complaining about their rights and freedom being taken away. We can't have it both way. I believe they are improving on their methods. There are going to be mistakes, and people are going to get careless. It is a human nature by-product to get careless in your day-to-day routine.
• United States
14 Dec 06
Sorry, but I disagree with you…it is not human nature to make mistakes. Humans are supposed to learn from their mistakes not keep repeating them over time. Carelessness is not an option in any carrier field especially when it involves human life... Thanks for your comment
@gejunli (26)
• China
11 Dec 06
what you say is goog ,but i am also want to say my personnal point,
• United States
14 Dec 06
Okay, so where is it??
@frank00 (93)
• United States
10 Dec 06
yes.
@JC1969 (1227)
• United States
11 Dec 06
Can you please elaborate and say more than "yes" as a response. You do know that myLot frowns upon "yes" and "no" responses. So, do you feel more safe and why?
@taruha (561)
• United States
10 Dec 06
all the safety measures to the extreme, also may not help in some cases where terrorists go on devicing newer and newer ways and means to attack.the most up todate training to all security staff must be given.all the journeys to that extent are definitely not safe.
• United States
11 Dec 06
The word Extreme scares me… There are constitutional rights that have to be upheld! But, you are right; they will devise new ways to break our security. Thanks for your comment
@marciascott (25557)
• United States
10 Dec 06
It is hard to say with all the Airplane crashes. and the 911 attacks, I am not comfortable, when I on a plane it's been 3yrs. since I was on a plane.
• United States
11 Dec 06
Thanks for your comment!
@blitzzz (131)
• India
10 Dec 06
Well, After 911 the security personnel are concentrating on how to avoid this kind of crash next time, but just think about the terrorists who did this. They'll be planning for the next one. I'll say that the security personnel should be trained to trace the terrorist attacks before it happens. Just think a moment, how the terrorists were able to hijack planes even though we have a lot of security in US. This is where we lack ourselves, we must think in multiple ways that they might do this and take some preventive actions before it happens...
• United States
11 Dec 06
Terrorists are not smarter than we are, they just think out of the box. While most American's and other walks of life walk around with blinders on! The element of surprise will get you every time. Take for instance the airline caters, every one of them have full access to the entire flightline and terminals. Too many people have the wrong access. It needs to be limited to only hand picked well screened folks, the fifteen year background check that airports use is a joke! What would you do if someone said I'll give you $$$$$$$$$ if you put this carpet knife under seat 34A on flight xxxx? You might say sure and just report it. But, someone who gets paid next to nothing and is just scraping by or someone who's just down on their luck...might say okay and really do it. Unfortunately, you are correct in saying they will plan yet another attack much like 911, however the events of 911 have too many unanswered questions to just say they acted alone. The facts are all there, we're just not purveyed to see them. We only know what the Governments want us to know… Thanks for your comment!