As long as we are still being violent to animals there will still be wars

I agree with you Michelle. I read a newspaper article only the other day, that showed quite clearly that a huge proportion of child killers, and serial killers here in the UK were acused of violence, and cruelty towards animals in their childhood, and teenage years. I believe the proportion was something staggering like 95%. Fact is, if you can torture, or kill an animal for some sadistic pleaseure, you can equally torture a human being - it is almost like the next step up. And certainly the cruelty and violence, and inhumane conditions in abattoirs and slaughter houses needs to be addressed. sadly I don't see it happening in our lifetime though.

With all due respect, comparing the slaughter of animals for meat to the violence humans commit against each other in wars is just ridiculous. First of all, killing animals serves a purpose: to feed humans. You may not like eating animals, but you can't dispute that there at least is a purpose there. In addition, the wars people wage on each other are due to our propensity for using force to get our way...they have nothing to due with choosing to eat meat or vegetables. Sometimes, wars have to be fought to stop evil oppressors, such as World War II. Finally, animals are not on the same level as humans, just as vegetables are not on the same level as animals. To buy into your argument, I would have to believe human life is no more valuable than animal life, and I cannot do that.

I read once that many serial killers began their careers torturing and killing small animals for the fun of it when they were children. That is, killing for the mere fun of it without useful purpose, like the obtaining of food. So, I'd agree with you that mistreatment of animals can be a warning signal of serious psychological trouble. Where I disagree with you would be that killing animals to eat them is mistreatment. Even animals kill for food. I see nothing wrong with doing the same. Besides, after a good steak diner, I feel quite peaceful and all mellowed out. Under such circumstances I would never start a war. Why would anyone else?

Hi I agreee to a certain amount of this but not wholeheartedly but as I know that you are a vegetarian that is part of your belief that we should not eat any animals but I am sorry I do not agree that we should not as different people have different cultures and beliefs it is very difficult to comment more really but to tell you the truth I eat meat but not that much.

Michelle, I respect your viewpoints. I respect your love of animals and your desire to not see harm come to them. I would never step on your views. I wish the same respect from you. My parents are lifelong vegatarians. I am a carnivour. I think that there is a huge difference between torturing a cat and having a cow for dinner. Torturing a cat is cruelty to animals. Eating the cow is being at the top of the food chain. I do believe in free range meat, although I don't think that would mean anything to you, but I hate to see animals caged for the remainder of their lives. I really believe that my parents vegatarianism is what turned me off to the lifestyle. I mean Tofu turkey for thanksgiving and tofu bacon for breakfast for 20 years is horrid. And then after the break up of my first marraige, I went back to live with them and ended up with the same tofu hell. As I said, I do respect your viewpoints and I would request the same respect. I hope you don't wear leather.

Cut me out of this I am vegetarian and I never kill animal.

As long as you keep comparing animals to people I'm going to have a really rough time agreeing with you. I don't think that killing for sport is at all acceptable, nor would I praise anyone who participated in this behavior. But, killing an animal for food is not the same as killing a man out of anger! War and steak don't have much in common from my perspective.

That's absurd. For one, we will always have to be "violent" to animals if we want to eat them, which is obviously our natural intention. Secondly, by your logic, eating animals would make it more acceptable to eat people as well, which obviously isn't true. There were always be war, unless.... well, nvm. There will always be wars.

I think because of sin, man's inner self that is sinful that we become as we are. Because of sin, man display violent behaviour, deceptive, destructive, betrays others, commits adultery, theft, and every bad thing under the sun and moon. Many learn such violence through their leaders, parents or elders and even some fanatical religions encourage such behaviour.

Behave like animals! I take offense to this! I have 2 labs (see picture) they are a father and son team and they have been together for almost 8 years. I have NEVER heard a snarl or growl from either one of them. They treat each other with respect. If one is chewing on the bone the other will sit and wait for his turn. If people behaved like these animals there would be less war and violence. And animal abuse is often a precursor to other violence. Eating animals is not a precursor to violence. I am sorry, but I think you are trying to stretch your point a bit too much!

i am one of the million of people who are able to provide a decent life to their families because of the animal industry. if for example vegans can convince everybody to just stay away from meat, what in the world will happen to us people and our familes who are depending on animals for our day to day life? millions are dying of hunger and starvation around the world. is the preservation of animal life more morally acceptable than saving the lives of people? is it better to just wait for a pig to die of old age than to slaughter it and be able to provide lunch for a hundred people or so?

I think that being a vegan is absolutely great, but i think that saying things that as long as we still eat other animals and kill them we will still be violent people is absolutely absurd and unfair. Human being has killed animals since we began our existence, and who is to say that nature was wrong and that doing that is morally wrong? You should really think twice before saying things like that, because it's simply not true, or at least it is as true that you're a vegetables (which are life forms too) slayer....it would be absurd that i told you that wouldn't it?

This is a very good discussion. If we are violent towards animals then we induce that violence in our mind and so we can make use of it at any time and towards any thing. so by being violent to animals we create a violent mind.animals' life are already difficult.so instead of helping them if we mistreat and kill them then we are criminals. let's stop violence against animals now.

Though I wouldn't go so far as to say that animals are made to be eaten, it is true that certain kinds of animals are available partly for human consumption. Animals do also eat other animals. It's the classic predator-prey relationship, and it is a means of survival. But killing animals for sport or for the simple reason that "I can do it" does not fall into that category and is wrong. There doesn't seem to be a direct correlation between eating animal products and violence per se. Besides, we have evolved into a consumer-centered society and only a fraction of the global population take part in the actual slaughtering of animals for food, and it would be very irresponsible to say that all of these people think that if they can do this to an animal, they can easily do it to other people.

sounds kooky...if you look at how animals exist in the "animal kingdom" they eat and kill each other ect. (and to say they only do it for food would be wrong)..now then, take into consideration that humans were created as naked superior...animals basically...therefore the laws of the animal kingdom apply to us as well..a Mt. Lion kills a human every now and then and the same goes for loads of animals...

As much as I agree that it s wrong to abuse animals, I also believe in survival. Now I dont like the hunters that hunt for sport, but I do believe in hunting for food. There are farmers who breed animals for food only and there are others who breed for milk and eggs.

I don't really agree with you on this. It would be great to think that it was that easy to get rid of war but i don't think so. I love animals I have 2 cats rescued another and he got a year and a half with him. Had to dogs in the past a rat 2 gerbils and 5 hamsters. I would love to own a horse. I do however eat meat I don't think i will ever stop I don't want to. I just don't see the link between war and animals.

You are right. Animal violence is the prime factor of all sorts violence including wars also in our society. We must be kind to all animals we see all around us. This will in turn promote a feeling in all of us for non-violence and peaceful coexistence. Thanks.

Hello michelle...I understand you're a vegan...just as your avatar here. I'm a semi-vegan myself. Though I'm very choosy with the meat I'm eating. I don't think majority of the poeple see it as a cruelty toward animals when killing those chicken, pig or cow. Its been with us for generations. But its unjustly unfair to say that we are behaving like an animals. We have to understand that people have their own views and opinions regarding this matter. I respect you for being a vegan, but I hope you can also respect the meat lovers. All the best.

At some point I agree with you. I think we should at least be kinder to animals. Correct me if I'm wrong, but too much meat on a human body is not good. Vegetable intake is health wise. On the other hand, how people are treating with these animals has nothing to do with the wars we've been battling these days. Differences and survival are just few of the factors that contribute to the conflict we have right now.