People cheating the welfare system!

@caramello (4382)
Australia
April 2, 2007 6:56pm CST
Tough question but one to consider what you would do! If you knew of someone who was on welfare benefits and you honestly saw that they should not be and should be in the work force, would you "dob" them in? Recently a programme has shown a man on disability benefits with a bad back caught on camera doing quite a bit of heavy lifting and working "on the side". Is this the what society likes to see?
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24 responses
• Australia
3 Apr 07
im on welfare at the moment til i find a job, im apllying like mad , i feel im a lower person for being on it and looked down apon
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@caramello (4382)
• Australia
4 Apr 07
There is a huge difference dropkickkennedy to what "cheats" do and your situation. You said it all when you said "I'm applying like mad" meaning you are wanting to work but of course need to find a job first! I too felt a "lower" person years ago when I was on single parent benefits even though I worked as well this did not seem to help with the stigma. Pat yourself on the back as you are doing the right thing and hold your head up high!
@mnflower (1306)
• United States
3 Apr 07
No this is not what society likes to see, and there is way to much of it going on, which in turn makes it twice as hard for the people that really need the benefits. I myself would turn them in, for number one it is not fair to you nor me to have to work our butts off and see people like this sitting or doing whatever and collecting money that we are paying through our taxes..just like those in prison we are paying for all of these services through our taxes so if one person is off welfare that is a extra dime in our pockets...so i would have to for sure say yes I would turn them in in a heartbeat and I would take pictures to the authorities to prove it.
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@caramello (4382)
• Australia
3 Apr 07
A lot of people would see it your way as they would relate back to the fact that they were working "their butts off" to achieve something in life only to see others having it handed to them on a platter (or however the payout goes) lol Great honest response mnflower thank-you!
@Lindalinda (4118)
• Canada
3 Apr 07
I know a couple of situations where people are ripping off the welfare system. One impulse is to report on them but I don't because my inner voice tells me no good would come of it. I would not respect myself for doing it. Rather I hope the authorities will eventually catch on.
@caramello (4382)
• Australia
3 Apr 07
I know of none personally at the moment but my inner voice would most likely say to dob them in lol and as my hubby has a huge amount taken out of his pay in tax gives me all the more reason!
@kitkat1 (1227)
• Canada
3 Apr 07
One of my big problems with people cheating the system is the fact of how much harder they make it for the people trying to get help that really need it. The government has had so many cheat it that it is hard for someone who needs it to get it without a fight and some dont get it then and that is really sad. To me it should be stopped and if you are caught doing this it should carry the same penalty as if you robbed a bank or a store whatever cause when it comes right down to it theft is theft no matter what way it is carried out and should not good without punishment.
@The_Eagle_1 (1123)
• Australia
3 Apr 07
The first impulse is to "dob" them in, I don't think that the legitimate cases of suffering and hardship are responded to adequately and this makes it even more difficult to determine what the judgment should be! Do we dod in a single parent for doing a bit of moonlighting in part-time work to give their kids that bit extra, or on the other hand, the wealthy person that manipulates the system "legally", and I use that term VERY loosly, and gets away with paying little or no tax?? This to me is as much a "wrong" but is excepted! They say there is no "grey" area, however the examples above are just 2 of some of the blatant discrepancies in our system. Money talks and those with want to keep it and those without it want to get it! Ironic that the "money men" or "power brokers", whatever you choose to call them are the ones that set the "money system" up, and made the rules to go with it!!! If it wasn't so sad I might even laugh!
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3 Apr 07
This has always struck me as grossly unfair. There are people out there in genuine need who are refused benefits, while those perfectly able to work are working AND claiming all the benefits they can. Benefit fraud is illegal and should be stopped.
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• United States
3 Apr 07
This is a subject I better not get started on, because it riles me up big time. All I know is that the system is suppose to help people in need, when bad times come, not support them forever. The middle class work so hard, and can hardly make ends meet, and support this welfare for some that do not belong on it. That's all I am saying, or this will end up a novel. I would not turn them in because the system doesn't care anyways.
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@caramello (4382)
• Australia
3 Apr 07
Thank-you margieanne for your honest response and your point about the system not caring may be true so why bother getting involved!
• United States
3 Jun 10
Why would you have bad karma for being a "snitch"? If more people made authorities aware of the criminals who are ripping off our welfare system, then a LOT more people who deserve it could be a part of it. I have a good friend who was raped and decided to keep the baby that came from that. Her parents worked in a small town their entire lives & that town recently went through a major depression, causing them to lose their retirement. She has been paying for their living expenses and her own. She is on food stamps, but does not qualify for welfare because she makes $10/hour. They don't take into consideration that she is paying for both of her parents and her own household. There are too many people within her city limits on welfare than what her local government can afford/allow. Why WOULDN'T you turn someone in? You just might be freeing up a spot for someone who deserves it; someone whose life will suffer because you didn't... speaking of bad karma. Turn them in, and don't listen to everyone else. When I lived in New York City, I saw two street thugs get into a fight and one got stabbed. I was the ONLY person who called the police. Not only did the guy who got stabbed get help, but the police told me that it was rare for anyone to do what I did - that everyone else was afraid that by calling the police, they'd get hurt. I couldn't have gotten hurt! The police were there right away and I rode with them to the station and took the subway from there. Sorry about the long story, but it made me feel really sad that all of those people were happier letting some violent thug roam loose with a knife. Just - DO THE RIGHT THING.
@Mickie30 (2638)
3 Apr 07
It depends on the situation. For example if the person was doing a job to get some pocket money like Avon or doing surveys on the internet then I would not say anything. However, if they were doing a full blown full time job I don't think I would say anything but, I would think it was very wrong and would hope someone would say something. I don't think I could dob someone in it isn't in my nature.
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• United States
8 Apr 07
Right, those things are technically cheating, and even though it's still not right I can understand people getting a little extra income under the table and not reporting it, not if it's a matter of a few extra dollars putting you over the income limit for whatever assistance you're getting. Of course, if an extra $20 of income might cause you to lose $400 in child care assistance, for instance, it would be better to try to find a way of squeezing the extra $20 from your budget somehow, than to risk losing your assistance for a little extra money.
@avonrep1 (1863)
• United States
3 Apr 07
Yes I would and I have. I worked as a stripper years ago to support my child, and this girl that worked there also, was on TANF, getting cash assistants. I turned her in, it was wrong. I pay my taxes and they should be going to go after deadbeat parents not to support the other deadbeat.
@caramello (4382)
• Australia
4 Apr 07
Well done to you as you did what you believed in. Thank-you for your response.
@juicemilk (2291)
• Australia
3 Apr 07
I guess it would also depend on who it was, I would hate to dob in one of my friends and then have them find out. But it's not fair for people to cheat the system, the rules and guidelines are in place for a reason and it's unfair for people to try and get past them just so they can have a few extra bucks. I think I'm divided on the issue lol I would like to think I would let the authorities know if I knew someone was cheating the system...but I don't know if I would acutally do it.
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@caramello (4382)
• Australia
4 Apr 07
It definately would be a hard choice to make juicemilk if it was concerning a friend and whether you are willing to maybe lose that friendship because of it! As I said it is a tough question! lol
@14missy (3185)
• Australia
3 Apr 07
I haven't been in the situation to do this thank goodness as it is a really hard decision to make. If they were trully rorting the system and making a big show of it I probably would make a little phone call to certain people but I think every one should have the right to defend their actions as well before being 'dobbed' in.
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@caramello (4382)
• Australia
3 Apr 07
It is a tough one missy and you are correct in saying the right to defend their actions comes first and some seem to think they are doing nothing wrong really. Thank-you for your response.
@Michele21 (3099)
• United States
3 Apr 07
I don't know if I would do anything, but I definitely wouldn't like supporting them with the taxes we pay!! I might write a letter or something to clue the "system" in.
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@caramello (4382)
• Australia
3 Apr 07
Not many people do like to get involved but there are a few that do, so if a difference is made on those few it would be worthwhile!
@cjthedog64 (1554)
• United States
12 Apr 07
My DH's ex wife has cheated all the government systems over the past 12 years. We've turned her in for welfare fraud, insurance fraud, unemployment fraud, etc multiple times. Give them proof of what she has and is doing, but nothing ever comes of it. She collects from her address and from her parents address because they're in 2 different counties. She uses her maiden name, DH's last name and her current husband's name. I don't know how she does it, but she seems to be making a better income than us, and nobody seems to care. :(
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@shooie (4990)
• United States
11 Apr 07
Well these people that are cheating the system are the people that are screwing things up for the rest of the people. I know at the one job I had so many people took advantage of the system that they revamped it and made things really hard on the ones that were needing the help. I don't like to see people busted like that on tv but whatever it takes to get em and shame I am all for it.
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@oldboy46 (2133)
• Australia
7 Apr 07
For a start if someone is claiming some sort of benefits and is working, they should be dobbed in and then prosecuted. A person who is doing this sort of thing is a thief because he is stealing from us, the taxpayers. Alternatively, if he is on workers compensation, then he is still a thief and stealing from us, because we pay higher prices for the things that we buy. The company has to charge higher prices to cover the cost of their workers compensation, and it is meant for people who are genuinely injured, not some bludger who wants to rip the system off. I have been on compo once and that was when I rolled the truck I was driving .... a car was coming towards me on the wrong side of the road and knowing if I stayed there we would crash I went bush and rolled the truck. I had a week off work and most of that was doing paperwork anyway ..... bonded goods on board at the time. I have dobbed someone in for working when they were on the dole and would do it again. Some people would think it was wrong but the way I look at it, if someone broke into my house and stole my tv I would call the police. why is claiming benefits illegally any different?
• United States
3 Apr 07
Yes i would turn them in. Just dont give a name
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@vmoore709 (1102)
• United States
3 Apr 07
I suppose it would depend on how close I was to the person. I would like to say that I would report them because it would be the right thing to do. People do this all the time and we end up paying for it.
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• United States
3 Apr 07
In order for them to do anything or check on the sitution they would need more than one people calling them.. I was in a different sitution with welfare system and they said they needed more than one story about the sitution..if you can get several of the neigbors to call then maybe it would work.. But you have to think he may have other problems that you dont know about as to why he is on disablity.
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@lisado (1231)
• United States
3 Apr 07
Should they get in trouble for cheating and lying? Yes. Do I want to watch it on TV? No. It irritates that crap out of me that we play by the rules and some people take advantage. We've lost help for our Autistic son because my husband "makes to much" or our car was "worth to much", nevermind the fact that we owe more than it's worth and need it to get back and forth to work. Nevermind that we're a single income family of four. My husband is enlisted in the Navy, for Pete's sake! He could make more working at McDonalds but we "make to much" for help. A member of our own family is cheating the government and it cheeses us both off to no end! She is on disability because she (supposedly) can't be in crowds as it makes me hyperventalate. Oh please! She can't go to the doctor or grocery store (supposedly) because she can't handle all of the people but she can go to the bar or to WWE wrestling matches and have no problems?? They basically pay her to stay home! They pay her rent, utilites, food stamps and so on! It makes us want to scream and my husband has chewed her out for it on more than one occasion. She even posts pictures of herself doing this stuff on the internet but she has never gotten in trouble for it. It's irritating as heck. Why some people get by with this stuff and some don't is beyond me. I guess it depends on if the state cares that they're being screwed or not? I know insurance companies don't like it and tend to hammer people hard when they get turned in for it. I think they should get in trouble and have to pay it back if they're cheating like that.
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@crazynurse (7511)
• United States
3 Apr 07
I know of plenty of people cheating the welfare system. Six out of ten families in my area are cheating the welfare system (documented). My neighbor is perfectly able to work as is her husband. They elected not to work for about 6 years. Now he works but she doesn't. They get free healthcare for their FIVE children while I go to work daily in order to have insurance. The entire time that he didn't work, he was trying to claim disability for a 'bad back.' He was up on his roof constantly, hanging siding, working under the table etc. People in this town go so far as to go down to the mental health center and feign depression, schizophrenia etc...to draw a 'crazy check.' It is really pathetic.
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