If you were to buy a dog...
By breepeace
@breepeace (3014)
Canada
July 9, 2007 5:08pm CST
and you were interested in getting into shows with it, how would you feel if the breeder wanted you to pay the full purchase price, pay 100% of the costs associated with it and then use your dog at stud for free for the rest of his life AND took 50% of any stud fees paid to your for your dog's services?
I'm really interested in how normal people would respond to a contract like that?
Please, just answer the question as if you were in those circumstances.
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@Debs_place (10520)
• United States
9 Jul 07
Something sounds very wrong there, unless the guy is giving away a great dog for next to nothing. For someone to buy the dog, pay all of the costs associaated with the dog and then expect to use your dog as a stud and keep 50% of the fee for doing what?
SOunds like a sweet deal if the dog breeded can get it. If i were buying the dog, I would keep on looking.
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@breepeace (3014)
• Canada
9 Jul 07
I agree. It sounds like a great deal -- for the breeder.
Sadly, this is the problem I'm encountering in my search for my dog, there are LOADS of dog breeders out there who have this clause in their contract.
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@Debs_place (10520)
• United States
10 Jul 07
If the dog does not live up to the breeder's promises is there a buy back clause?
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@breepeace (3014)
• Canada
10 Jul 07
Yes, there usually is. If the dog is bought as show quality, the purchase price is reimbursed or a replacement puppy is given to the purchaser at the breeder's discretion. It wouldn't be if the dog was not winning in the show ring or something that is environmental, but if the dog is found to develop a serious fault or a genetic disease or defect, then yes, there is some form of protection to the buyer.
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@Inky261 (2520)
• Germany
10 Jul 07
I am a breeder. I do not understand who pays for all the medical tests like hip screaning, eye exams and genetic testing against kidney disease and PRA in what you write?
It is not easy to motivate owners of classy male dogs to show them and to breed with them.
I do not have any such clauses in my contract.
I had two dogs that I sold that became stud dogs.
I have handled all the business, deducted the cost and gave the surplus to the owners who didn`t have any work to do.
Of course I did not pay for it when I used the stud for myself. This would be very unusual in the business.
So, this was my five cents worth, I am not what you call a normal person.
@breepeace (3014)
• Canada
10 Jul 07
The buyer would.. as I said 100% of the costs associated are paid by the owner.
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@breepeace (3014)
• Canada
10 Jul 07
See that seems fair. If you're willing to take on some of the responsibility, then you should reap some of the reward. In my situation, the only responsibility my breeder has is breeding and raising the litter, and selling the dog to me. Then after I finish the dog's championship, do his health clearances, etc, she can come back and use the dog on any dogs she owns or co-owns for free, and gets 50% of any stud fees he earns on outside females.
If she wants the benefit of using him, why can't she take a little more of the responsibility on? Perhaps pay for an entry fee or take him to a show that I can't attend?
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@Inky261 (2520)
• Germany
10 Jul 07
Well, usually I am on very good terms with the owners of the dogs I sell. I love my dogs. So I usually have an agreement how much of the cost of showing and of the medical costs related to breeding I overtake. I usually pay a percentage,never more than half. If I pay the cost completely, then I deduct every penny from income from the stud. This never happened.
I do the ringtraining and the showing. I give the necessary haircuts for free. The owner usually pays for the fees for the shows. The travel(gas etc) either I pay or we share it.
The owner and I always become friends.
OK. We have all the work done.
I prefer to use the dog now for myself, so I know if the puppies are ok. Other breeders do not want to pay for a stud who never had puppies. Too risky.
then I call all the colleagues (long distance) and offer the dog. If I can motivate others to take the stud I hand the surplus money completely to the owner. My reward for all the work is a) my reputation and b) that I can use the stud for myself for free, which I hardly ever do as I want world winners as my studs or equivalents.
I am in renouwned clubs and the FCI (word association).
@Signal20 (2281)
• United States
9 Jul 07
Wow-that sounds ridiculous in my opinion! I'm not ultra familiar with show dogs, but my aunt did that for awhile with some, so a little bit of experience. I also know, she was asking ridiculous prices and such, and couldn't rid of any of her dogs. I've heard of high prices for the dogs, especially show quality-that's understandable if that's the kind of dog you want. And, I've heard of using the dog for stud once or twice, and they're able to take the pick of the litter. Sounds like the breeders have gotten really greedy over the years...I'd keep looking, has to be something out there with a decent contract. GOod luck!!
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@breepeace (3014)
• Canada
10 Jul 07
You know.. "renting" sounds like a good way to put it. I was trying to figure out a term that accurately described what it seemed like to be, and I think you found it for me.
@ladysurvivor (4746)
• Malaysia
10 Jul 07
I won't buy a dog that costs so much. It would give me trouble in future when a third party wants to involve with the care of the dog. No, I won't buy the dog even if I am fond of it. I will find another one.
@yashchoraria (46)
• India
10 Jul 07
if i go to buy a dog then i will try to buy a suvh dog
which barks at the whole night nonstop as my neighbours dog keep barking in the day and sleeps and night
if my dog will bark at night my neighbour will go away from near my house as
in my home i have sound proof material
and he doesnt
haha so best of lcuk to me.
