Iranian bravery
@redyellowblackdog (10629)
United States
6 responses
@estherlou (5015)
• United States
9 Oct 07
I was shocked to find out they didn't face worse punishments for speaking out against him. They definitely have a lot of guts. More power to them.
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
9 Oct 07
They probably are facing worse punishment. The SAVAK may be gone but their tradition lives on.
My guess is that given the negative world reaction to Saddam's repression and what happened to him as a result is leading to the current Iranian leaders being covert in the crushing of protest.
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@kamran12 (5526)
• Pakistan
11 Oct 07
Hello redyellowblackdog!
I have read the comments here and though I respect them but they are coming from the same media outlets from US and western world who have never been sincere with world issues and resolution of those issues but only for certain powerful individuals or groups whose interests are in imperialism and war. They also come from some Arab nations media outlets who see Iran as enemy on theological and political basis. I'll not go into CIA's present operations within Iran and what they are doing on Pakistani side in hiring and sending people into Iran.
I really would like people to visit Iran for themselves to see ground realities. These students are no more brave than the brave people in America, speaking against the imperialistic powers, against government; than people who want peace and justice and than people who strive for equality and justice in America.
The real brave students in Iran were and are those who stood against American and Iranian Monarch's (Reza shah) coalition who literally killed hundreds of thousands to suppress them. Those brave students lost their families, lives, friends, and youth in their struggle against American cruel influence in the affairs of their state and who suffered the most brutal tactics. They knew that they will lose life yet they stood up against America and the dictator. These students that you talk about are allowed to protest, and this is not the single example, the protests in Iran happen more frequently but hypocrisy of the media is that they are showing these 100 students and not those over 100 thousand who stand for government. Those 100,000 are also scholars, educated, intelligent and knowledgeable but US and western media is void of their voices.
US and western media is also void of the voices of Iranian Academics (Chancellors and Presidents) who not only protested but wrote a letter to Columbia University president for his uneducated, unintelligent, ignorant and baseless comments. They also don't show how the Iranian Jewry protested the treatment of Ahmadinejad by University president, in particular, and US administration in general. US media also doesn't show how the Jewish community from Neturei Karta International, welcomed Ahmadinejad in New York. If you know persian, I invite you to read Iranian News Papers, just so, the myth that no body is allowed to speak against government there is cleared. Going through Print and electronic media you will see that how openly writers write against policies wherever and whenever they want, even the semi government media is filled with both pro and anti present government.
Moreover, The same source tells that Iranian president reacted calmly as he normally does but I happen to see many speeches by American Presidents on different occasions where they were not only annoyed by a protesting voice but also retorted in harsh words.
I hope that American and Western Media, someday, shows American brutality in Iran during Reza Shah's regime and those millions of brave students who came out on streets to protest against American influence just to be tortured, mutilated, imprisoned and killed or to suffer loss of family. American media only have shown some clips, I hope they tell why they came out and against whom they were protesting. I salute those brave students, with deepest of my respect, for the freedom and their willingness to offer their lives just to be free. And, I salute these 100 students too but at the same time I salute that overwhelming majority of Iranian students also who won't allow their country to go back to the American supported dictatorship of Reza Shah and his likes, who love their government, who are standing against all powers for their rights. And, I just hope that these ones, too, get the coverage and support of American and Western "So-Called" "Free Media".
Until then, I guess, I would never be able to start a genuine debate but I would be only clearing media stupidities.
Peace be to all!
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
11 Oct 07
"I really would like people to visit Iran for themselves to see ground realities."
I would not even dare try to visit Iran. While Muslims can visit the USA and have their rights protected by our government, the Iranian government would likely imprison someone like me.
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
11 Oct 07
LadyLuna,Kamran,
Thank-you both for the long informative posts. I am amazed at the amount of work you both have put into the disussion. I enjoy posting, but you both are having output approaching that of serious investigative journalists. You should both be paid more than a few pennies.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
13 Oct 07
Hello Redyellowblackdog,
Thank you for the best response. Although, I humbly share that honor with Kamran.
As strange as it might sound to those unfamiliar with our previous discussions, Kamran and I share the same goal. In fact, the same goal as the majority of human beings. We wish to raise our children and grandchildren in a world of respect (of self and others) and justice, as due course for a breach of respect of others. In other words: to live in harmony.
My hope is that this particular discussion illuminates the fact that much of the world's issues relate to nothing more than misinformation, and perception/agenda driven malevolent goals. And no side is free of those affecting sources: greed, lust for power, and the sacrifice of the innocents for personal gain. Neither side can ever be construed as 'clean as the wind driven snows'.
As a very important aside, I do believe that The Founding Fathers of the USA, having been subject to both religious and political oppression, had a transcendent view of how 'Man' might live harmoniously, and judiciously. Thus, the magnanimous penning of The Bill of Rights, and their ever hopeful optimism lead us to todays bastardization of the principles near and dear to their hearts. And, the recognition that there is a fine line between fascism and liberalism. And, the question: At what point of the line do we agree to surrender and submit?
So, it is up to us -- the bright, the concerned, and the committed to help to shape the future of tomorrow.
Kamran, you know that you have my deepest respect. In fact, I fully expect that you are what I perceive to be part of the solution, as opposed to part of the problem!
You understand the rights of the indigenous, as well as the responsibility of the global. And so, if we can reach this one common ground -- that there are those among us who foster agendas contrary to our own, and that they choose the most charismatic to perpetuate those agendas, then we can stand strong in opposition to any such oligarchy whose intention is to direct local, regional, or national agendas that stand in direct opposition to the principles of goodness and decency.
It's not so much a matter of reaching 'common ground', as it is that it is the often times utterly llusive ability to discern between reality and agenda driven illusion.
So, can we reach this one common ground?

@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
10 Oct 07
Hello Redyellowblackdog,
Yes, they did show extraordinary bravery.
I do wish that you had been able to find the account of their actions plastered across the front pages of US newspapers. It would be helpful for many Americans to understand that there is an educated, viable opposition to the Iranian hard-line theocracy.
I read an article some time back, in which a pro-western Iranian dissident, living in the UK, courageously announced that he would be willing to lead a coup against the current Iranian regime, if the US would support him. I've not seen any mention since. I make no implications, as to why. Yet, I have to wonder why the American pundits were silent.
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
10 Oct 07
Yes, I wish more people knew of these brave students. Then again, the more effective these students are in makeing the world aware of the nature of the Iranian government, the more danger they would be in. It is 6 of one and 1/2 dozen of the other as to whether it is good to give them more media exposure.
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@urbandekay (18278)
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20 Oct 07
Let's hope the world resounds with a cheer of hope for these brave young heroes
all the best urban
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