Are we ever going to get out of Iraq?

Ok, this one calls for a disection, not going to be rude, just gonna take this one line by line. ********************************************** "I can't believe our president has marched our troops into another quagmire" --Neither can I, because we didn't. A quagmire is something to wich there is no way out, not the case here. Too much happening to still be saing things aren't going better. There was far too much expectation in the time it was going to take for things to work. Too many expected overnight results, this was, from the beginning, going to take years to finish properly, one should never watch sausage or democracy being made, it took our own nation how long to get away from england and get it's own shyte together as a formed nation? And it too took a civil war. **"We don't really understand the mideastern mentality." --nope, most don't **"Western culture doesn't understand it anymore now than we did during the Crusades" -- a bit of an exageration here and there was no such thing as a western culture durring the crusaides **"We just need to put a patch on the situation and get out of town" --Why? so the patch can fly off and blow our arses off as were exiting? This would be iresponsable to the people of iraq, our militar and our allies. **"The pattern was set when we allowed Viet Nam to become reunited" --Absolutely irelevent comparrison. The object here is not to reuinte anything, it was never united in the first place, you had 3 distinct cultures, one almost it's own country (kurds), aruling ethnic group(sunni), and a group that thought the majority, enjoyed little influence in it's government (shia), all under one dictatorship. The object here is now merely to get them to stop killing even if it means forming 3 independant states in one federation, similar to what our own nation's fathers laid out for us, but still UNITED under one common flag and nation. **"It may be communist, but at least it's not in a civil war any longer" --neither is somalia now **"If the people of Iraq can't control themselves, it's really not our problem" --No, it's the world's problem. If they aren't controlling themselves, then someone else will be, iran, etc. The object is to make sure we're there untill they can control themselves, and like it or not, no matter how long it takes. **"I have sympathy for the troops that are there" --I have FAITH in our troups there. I believe our gus can do it. If they aren't crying surrender, and they AREN'T, despite what you ma hear, they are not. **"but it will never see a satisfactory military solution." --Of course not. That's not the idea. The idea is to get rid of the remaining inurgents and the al quieda groups so that the government can get it's self some breathing space and better will to get together for the sake of it's people, as well as keep guys like Iran and kurdish seperatists OUT. You made reference to vietnam. In an interview with the walstreet journal a while ago, a north vietnamese general was asked if the anti war movement in america helped them any. His reply was that it was essentail to the north vietnamses victory.

Why don't you ask if Iran, Syria and the terrorists are ever going to get out of Iraq? Why don't you insist THEY leave Iraq? Why didn't you insist that the UN live up to it's worthless and endless "resolutions"?