The police and the overuse of taser guns.
By whywiki
@whywiki (6066)
Canada
November 22, 2007 12:18pm CST
This poor man from Poland was tasered and died at the Vancouver Airport. The whole thing was captured on video and released to the public. The RCMP officers come bursting in and without even trying to calm the unarmed man they drew their taser guns and shot. The guy who was unable to speak English had been stranded in the airport for over 10 hours without any help. His mother in another part of the airport was told her son had never arrived so she left and went home. Lots of people dropped the ball that day and it ended up in death. It seems to me in this day and age that the police are quick to pull the taser and use it. In the old times the cops were big bruisers and they could physically restrain people. Now with equal rights and all they have these little cops out there that don't have the strength to do the job right. I think maybe we should go to the blackboard again and start having physical requirements to join the force. Even when I get pulled over these days or when going through a roadblock I see these little boys and girls doing a man's job and how can I take them serious. They are not intimidating at all to me and kind of a joke. Do you think that Taser guns should be banned or are they still a viable way of helping the police do their jobs?
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@coffeebreak (17797)
• United States
22 Nov 07
My son is a police officer and if you heard the stories about how the officer have to "allow" the criminals to do this and that or act this way or that way and the office has to allow it at his own personal risk, you'd change your min d- at least a little. Criminals get more rights than the officer or victim. The problem is that the office doesn't know the whole story prior to the incident. He has to deal with what he sees right then and there and while stopping the criminal, he also has to protect those by-standers and lastly him self and all in the length of a few seconds. Could you think about all that that fast? From all that I have seen and heard from several places of information, In cases like this, if the officers didn't do what they did, there'd be another group going off on the offier about why didn't he protect them? But yes, I am with you on the physical thing. My son makes sure he sticks to his physical ability - it is his life that depends on it. But I know many officers and deputys and yes, they do have a weight problem and they should not be on the streest in that condition.. for their own sake as well as others. I don't know why it is so mandatory to be in perfect physical condition in order to graduate the academy, but after that it doesn't seem to matter.
Yet remeber in the news not long ago - summer time about - that captain in FLorida that made it mandatory for his department to deal with their weight problem - him being over weight himself. He dropped like 30 pounds and those that didn't got repremanded or fired or whatever it was. A group got all wound up about how he could treat his officers that way and "belittle them" and violate their civil rights and it got so bad that he had to resign! Kind of crap if you do and crap if you don't So, how are officers supposed to do their job?
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@whywiki (6066)
• Canada
22 Nov 07
I understand the problems police officers face and I appreciate the fact that they put their life on the line daily. I know that the majority of the force are great people that do a job most people wouldn't even consider and they have to see things no person should ever have to witness so my hat is off to all the fine police officers out there. My problem with this case is that this man had done nothing threatening to anyone. He threw a computer and a chair at a wall. He was scared and frustrated. As the RCMP burst into the room one cop says something like permission to taser. They didn't approach the man calmly and quietly like you would an injured and scared animal. Then after they taser the guy and he is down one cop sticks his knee in the back of the guys neck. I think that these cops in this case didn't even give the guy a chance. I'd also like to say thank you for raising a man who has a heart and wants to help society, we need more men like that in our society.
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@coffeebreak (17797)
• United States
23 Nov 07
I didn't see any of the footage. But I'd be willing to guess that with all the terrorist things going on these days that a chair and a laptop thrown against the wall was considered a violent act and violent acts point to terroists so police respond on that playing field. But if he was so lost and all, why didn't he go ask for help or flap an officer to help. Why throw things?
And thanks - I am very proud of my son. I see first hand what the officers have to deal with and 90% of it isn't fair. They are upholding the law and providing protection, but are the first to get
blamed.
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@UnselfishShellfish (1306)
• United States
23 Nov 07
"at a wall"
And what was to stop this man from launching another chair at another officer and killing him? They did what they had to do.
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@raychill (6525)
• United States
22 Nov 07
You have to imagine that it's tough being a cop. Where I live, cops get killed a lot. Being a cop is dangerous and you're risking your life every day. So sometimes, when someone seems to strike out at you, you do what comes naturally.
Not that I think it's right. I think that maybe they shouldn't use tasers too often and/or they should get less dangerous tasers. It's a tough call really I think. I just know that cops have to defend themselves and sometimes one of them will end up getting killed, the cop usually hopes it isn't them.
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@coffeebreak (17797)
• United States
23 Nov 07
But whatever one is missing here is - you can make judgement as you know the whole story now. When it happened, those offices didn't know the whole story. They only saw a man throwing large objects in an airport and not responding to their commands. They didn't know he was upset, theydidnt' know he was lost, they didn't know he couldn't speak english - all they saw was a man being violent in the airport for no apparent reason, and terrorist is what pops into their minds right after "he is endangering those people". IF those officers hadn't done anything and that guy turned out to be a terrorist, can you imagen what would be going around now? "those cops just let that terrorist hurt those people...." and those cops would now be unemployed and most likely never employed in law enforcement again, if not incarcerated. So before making judgement, make sure you look at it from the side that existed that you don't know about first. Even put yourself in the positino of the officer as to what would you do if this is all you saw and know nothing else or even what a by stander would have thought. If I had been standing next to this guy or in the general area, and saw what he did -I'd sure been grateful those cops were there and did what they did, and I'd bet you would've too.
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@whywiki (6066)
• Canada
23 Nov 07
I think that the airport should have done something long before the police were called. The mother was supposed to meet him at baggage claim but wasn't allowed in. Why didn't someone escort her to the claim to find him, why didn't someone go look for him. A lot of miscommunication. I think that whomever called the police should have told them he couldn't speak English. You are right if he had been a terrorist and the cops did nothing their heads would be on a plate too as they are now. But looking at the video from start to finish you can see that people in the airport knew what was wrong and were trying to talk to him. The police didn't stop and ask anyone anything they just ran threw and tasered. I have seen more compassion shown to a stray dog. Maybe only senior officers should have the tasers. I don't know what the solution is but I think in this day and age people have become so paranoid of other people we often just don't take the time.
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@coffeebreak (17797)
• United States
24 Nov 07
Then it seems it is the mothers fault. Just because there was no baggage claim for him she leaves, maybe he didn't bring any. Maybe she should have done a little more to find him.
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