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myLot reputation of 56/100. fightingistheonlyway (655)   ranked 1,120 out of 6,502 in religion 5 years ago

now, this ofcourse isnt solid, but its funny how, according to census.gov, in 2002, about 12% of Americans have gained higher education. Coincidentally, 10% of Americans in the same year considered themselves not to be apart of any religious grouping.

now, im not one to jump to conclusions, but too bad there isnt a pole that checks religion and education at the same time.. or else I would think it would be close to a 2% minority of educated religious people.

so, could it be that 2% of educated religious people are representing 90% of undereducated religious people against the 10% secular and educated group?

ofcourse, this isnt a very good question to ask as we cant really know if the educated people are all secular.. for all we know, all 12% could be religious (haha).. but my question is, do you think that there is a comparison between religious people and education?

why are the numbers for education and for secularist groups so close?

PS: mind you that out of the 90% of religious people, 78% of them are christian (protestant + catholic) and out of that population, 60% believe that the bible is the "word of god."

PPS: also, a big error margin may be that these are the people who DECLARED being christian or catholic which could have been based on other issues IE: family pressure.

 

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ClarusVisum (1018) response was accepted on 1/5/2008.
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1. myLot reputation of 13/100. ClarusVisum (1018)   ranked 3,091 out of 6,502 in religion   5 years ago

Okay, first of all, it's silly to take two groups that are about 10% of the population and assert that they are the same 10%. :P

However, there in fact HAVE been many studies comparing theistic religiosity to intelligence and education. Check them out here:

http://kspark.kaist.ac.kr...

Spoiler: higher IQ and higher levels of intelligence are correlated with lower religiosity.


myLot reputation of 56/100. fightingistheonlyway (655)   ranked 1,120 out of 6,502 in religion  5 years ago

hey thanks alot!


myLot reputation of 56/100. fightingistheonlyway (655)   ranked 1,120 out of 6,502 in religion  5 years ago

and i did say that it doesnt correspond, but asked if you think that they did.


myLot reputation of 13/100. ClarusVisum (1018)   ranked 3,091 out of 6,502 in religion  5 years ago

Well, correlation does not imply causation, but for sure there is correlation.

However, considering the sheer number of studies, it's not unfair to suggest that there is a significant connection between them.

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2. myLot reputation of 91/100. lotterylover (7441)   ranked 73 out of 6,502 in religion   5 years ago

There are a lot of smart Christians out there who received higher education but I don't know any percentile to go with your question. I also know that it is easier for an average person or below average to accept Christ faster then one who has a high IQ. Look who Jesus picked as His disciples. Most of them were ordinary men with little if no education because they were easier to teach then others who already had preconceived ideas. He did choose Saul later but he had to strike him down and blind him for 3 days before He really got Saul's attention. Could Saul have resisted this calling. Yes, he could have but God knew Saul's heart and knew that once He could get Saul's attention he would be a great worker for HIm.

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3. myLot reputation of 97/100. sarahruthbeth22 (15801)   ranked 42 out of 6,502 in religion   5 years ago

The surprising stat is that only 12% of Americans have had higher education.Now there is secular education and then there religious education.There are many who went to religious schools and colleges. Were they counted?And just because you go to college doesn't automatically make you intelligent. And if you don't go to college doesn't make you automatically stupid.You can be religious and highly educated as you can be uneducated and nonreligious.What does one have to do with the other? There are some stupid " educated" people out there as there are some real smart people that never went to highschool. And both can be religious or atheists.

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4. myLot reputation of 52/100. SEOGUY (552)   ranked 438 out of 6,502 in religion   5 years ago

I believe that maybe there is a flaw in the census you have quoted, as a majority of people in the United States do not identify themselves with an organized religion, that does not mean however they are not religious. The majority of people in the United States are not Christians. And you are very masterful at snipping at Christians and people of faith by saying that there is no evidence of causality, but you still have implied that religious peoples can not be intelligent. Your implication is totally ignorant and fallacious. And you obviously have no shame in your outright hatred of God and people of faith. But as an American I believe in anyones right to be an ignoramus.

Religious schools mostly have a higher standard of education, they are not as dumbed down like public schools are. Like wise many Christians home school their children, and for several years home schooled children have won national awards in math, science and even the national spelling bee. Students in religious schools are more likely to go to collage as they mostly are from families that can afford the tuitions and because of their higher grades, they also receive more scholarships. Many of these students go on to religious collages. Of course this does not show causation, there would have to be a separate independent study with a very large sampling to show any causality of a religious upbringing and higher education.


myLot reputation of 52/100. SEOGUY (552)   ranked 438 out of 6,502 in religion  5 years ago

Furthermore there is no correlation between the two. Correlation would have to include the percentages of religious and nonreligious people to show any correlation between the two. Would any one assume a correlation with the fact that 12.8 % of Americans were black or African American? Is there a correlation here? Or Hispanics and Latinos made up 14.4% ? Or is the only true correlation to higher education wealth and the choices one makes. I could say 10% of the post I read on mylot are written by the uneducated, and then say have you noticed that nearly 10% of the posts I read are by Canadians? I have made an implication not a correlation and certainly not causality. Which I well retract right now, I do not imply people from Canada are uneducated.

The only thing you have shown with your comparison of the percentages you quote is the prejudges of your thinking. It shows a coincidence of unprovable correlation.


myLot reputation of 56/100. fightingistheonlyway (655)   ranked 1,120 out of 6,502 in religion  5 years ago

ClarusVisum gave a good site


myLot reputation of 56/100. fightingistheonlyway (655)   ranked 1,120 out of 6,502 in religion  5 years ago

and im talking about higher education

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5. myLot reputation of 35/100. urbandekay (6799)   ranked 1,376 out of 6,502 in religion   5 years ago

Further to Seoguys points, if you wanted to suggest any kind of causal connection then you would need to show similar findings in other countries. Furthermore there are plenty examples of highly intelligent and educated Christians.

all the best urban

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6. myLot reputation of 82/100. kundalini444 (148)   ranked 262 out of 6,502 in religion   5 years ago

There is a clear connection indeed: educated people are not so prone to accepting something without evidence. They are used to think in a rational way, to use their reason.
Confronting any aspect of their life, educated people tend to ask QUESTIONS and seek for answers according to their reason, not to unproven dogmas or "truths" with no evidence or heavily in conflict to any reasonable evidence.

That's why ignorant people are more religious: making them believe in something non-existent is easier!

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