Gifted & Talented programs

@Debs_place (10520)
United States
January 6, 2008 11:45pm CST
My sister told me today that my nephew who is in the 6th grade was nominated for a Gifted and Talented math program by his teacher. This means that starting in 7th grade he can get college credit for his math classes. He does not want to go since he does not really like math (and here I thought that if you are good in a subject you would like it). My sister does not want to push him, since he has other interests - he loves to read and is quite a talented writer and they can not afford either the program or the time commitment, not to mention driving to the other side of the city twice a week. So being a proud aunt who would love to see him in the program, what can i do to give him other avenues to develop his talents? Would you try and encourage him to go?
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@GardenGerty (169452)
• United States
8 Jan 08
Speaking as a mom, and an aunt, who has had gifted and talented people in her family, I would say definitely do not force him into an expensive program that he dislikes, just because he scores well. My son took his first ACT test in seventh grade, because of a "program" by a major university. It basically worked as a feeder, to get students into their school. We did not do it. My daughter was just as bright, but not labeled and has done some wonderful things with her life already. I am trustee for my nephews. One of them was identified, and also offered a chance to go to Europe, but he would have had to pay for it. The young man said "It would be really cool, but it will not take me any further in the field I want to pursue. I want to pass on it. Please do not make my step mom make me go." He is making some pretty mature choices for himself, and I am really proud of him. If there are short programs that are more age appropriate, see if you can encourage him there. We have junior astronaut camps, and artist camps and seminars, and music classes available, usually through the recreation commission or through community colleges. 4H even has programs that you do not have to be a member of. I would encourage him, but keep it local for now.
@GardenGerty (169452)
• United States
8 Jan 08
By the way, there are seven areas of giftedness, and one of them is self knowledge. Maybe he is right, and the math program is not right for him.
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@gmakesmoney (2923)
• United States
7 Jan 08
I would say that the program would be great for him but if he has no interest in it then it's unlikely that he would pursue a career in it and therefore could be a waste of time and money. On the other hand though, it does give him something to fall back on and he will be able to earn college credits which means less math he'll have to take later on in college since he doesn't like it. And who knows, maybe what he doesn't like it that it's boring and maybe it's boring because what they are teaching in beneath his capability. Perhaps once challenged he will find it interesting and want to stick with it. Ok all that in mind... I think trying out at least a couple of the classes in the program would be a win-win. If he doesn't enjoy it and it becomes a problem both with time and money then they can drop it and at leas they tried. If he likes it then it could lead to major things for him, including a new interest and a future career. If they don't try it, they'll never know and his potential would always be a "what if".
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@Debs_place (10520)
• United States
7 Jan 08
I was thinking the same thing..he may be bored in a standard classroom setting. I like the give it a shot idea, but the program costs almost $700 for the year and he is out of his home school math class since he is now taking a college class. The funny thing about this is the child has been playing with video games since before he could walk, not to mention watching TV. Which goes to show that nature can overpower nurture.
• United States
7 Jan 08
With $700 that's a big risk if he doesn't like it. I bet he might just be bored though. Maybe talk to him and ask him what about math he doesn't like. If it sounds like he's just bored or it isn't challanging enough then the classes would be a good investment. If they can't afford the classes then maybe there's some way to get him into something cheaper where he's still being challanged and learning. Maybe there's like a Math team or something at a local high school that he could join, some high schools make exceptions for home schoolers and gifted kids. Maybe he'll have a career in video game programing?
@sedel1027 (17846)
• Cupertino, California
7 Jan 08
I think the opportunity he has is great, but I wouldn't push him into it. Since you want to encourage him, why don't you check out what other options there are out there for him? Some college run independent courses for kids like your nephew. If you do the research early enough, he may be able to get into some kind of summer program that may catch his interest enough to want to go to the gifted and talented program. Another option, you should check out if his school offers credit for summer school. He could jump ahead in certain - or all courses - and graduate early.
@sedel1027 (17846)
• Cupertino, California
7 Jan 08
If he is really smart, he is going to be bored anyway. Are there no AP programs at his school? I believe your nephew needs to be encouraged through his interest and put his in courses that he will be interested in. Even though 95% of the kid finish, what is the point of just going for math? There are programs out there that you can take all kinds of advanced courses for college credit that I am sure he would be more interested in. When you take those courses, you don't take the courses offered in the middle or high school. You really should look into and talk to him about fast tracking through middle school so that he can be in courses that would benefit him and are more on his level.
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@Debs_place (10520)
• United States
7 Jan 08
Actually I was just talking to my sister about that, finding out about the AP programs at school and maybe going to some summer camps that would develop other skills. Writing camps, computer camps etc.
@Debs_place (10520)
• United States
7 Jan 08
I was thinking of summer programs too but he spent last summer doing a lot of pleasure reading and working on his first novel. I would like to see him do some things but not too much that is school related, since if he does the learning through the summer he will spend the whole school year bored. Unfortunately this GT program starts in the 7th grade and if you don't start it then you can't start it at all. After 6 years, they have earned 22 college credits, all in math. They have to sign up this Feb/March time frame. There are only 60 slots in it and from what I was reading, 95% of the kids who start the program, complete it. I think he should be offered AP classes in his middle school as an alternative, but they don't offer them
@raijin (10345)
• Philippines
7 Jan 08
It would be good if you point out what benefits it would bring to him, sometimes kids are simply kids and still needs to be guided!;) I remember a cousin of mine, he's also good in math (but not me), his parents asked him what course he'd take on college and that they'll avail him of scholarship program since they are also one of those lucky enough to bring something home for the whole family. My cousin said that he'd take a course that has something to do with math, so they enrolled him and he took a qualifying exam for a B.S. Math scholarship program.. You're nephew has a lot of talent, he just have to look for some sources where he thinks he'd enjoy them all..
@Debs_place (10520)
• United States
7 Jan 08
I know, this program sounds very tough and dry. If they were designing roller coasters and rocket ships, computers or submarines. It would make it fun and educational.
@byfaithonly (10698)
• United States
8 Jan 08
This is wonderful and I do think he should be encouraged but the fact is if his heart isn't into it then he won't succeed or could end up with other problems. I say encourage him but at this age if he doesn't want to do it he shouldn't be pushed.
@Debs_place (10520)
• United States
8 Jan 08
No, his heart is not in it...he is a well rounded little boy with many interests and math is not one of them
@byfaithonly (10698)
• United States
8 Jan 08
I know my #2 son who is very gifted in many areas including math and music got into band at a young age. When in high school the band teacher saw his talent and pushed - Shannon could play every insturment in the band including ones most people had never heard of. His senior year he quit band, I was broken hearted but he said 'Mom it's more like work now, it's not fun anymore'.
@dania_elm (421)
• United States
7 Jan 08
my nephew is also in the gifted math program and he is in 6 th grade weird!!i would explain the perks of it to him in such a way that he would want to go my nephew jumped at it so we didnt have to do all that good luck
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@Debs_place (10520)
• United States
7 Jan 08
Lucky, and such a great opportunity.
• United States
7 Jan 08
The biggest complaint concerning higher math is that it is 'useless' in the real world. This simply is not true. The way to increase your nephew's interest in higher math is to show him the 'real world' applications of higher math and how it will help him to understand things others do not. Some examples? Ever wonder how a company like Wal-Mart makes a decision concerning who wide the aisles between the goods for sale should be? Or what temperature to set the thermostat? How about the best locations for the truck depot terminals for moving the merchandise? How do big corporations make these decisions? Well, do you remember the simutanous solutions of equations procedure you learned in algebra? Yep, in a major corporation of today, they don't just guess at these things. Too much money is involved. They do a study of the relevant factors involved. Represent them as mathematical functions and solve the various equations simutanously for the most efficient solution. Just like you did in high school. Another example? Remember all the man made global warming hype? I have been debunking this BS from the very start. How was I able to do that? Why was I confident I was right and so many scientist were liars? (note: I did not say wrong, I said liars. Those scientists have math skills, too). I used my math skills. I got the orginal data of earth temperatures and sea levels for myself. Mostly this information is provided for with taxpayer dollars so when you ask, they have to give it to you. Anyone with the proper experience in mathematics can do this. So, if your nephew wants to equip himself to better understand what is really going on in business, politics, and science, he needs those higher math skills.
@Debs_place (10520)
• United States
7 Jan 08
Yep, you are exactly right, they need to see the real world applications of these things. I think my nephew is too young to understand the long term consequences of this decision now. That is why I agree, a real world application project may mean the learn a little less if they stop and do a project and apply what they learned, but I think the long term interests that would be encouraged would have a higher payback