Jathropa Plant - Promising Biofuel resource  

I also am very interested in it since these plants are present in the Philippines and it could help our economy if taken care and propagated properly.

And oh, before I forgot, nuclear power is better.

Oh well if that is you opinion of it I will respect that. But as many new ideas do come this technology may become a useful energy source as replacement for oil which is fast depleting. I don't find it to be political either. Government may have promoted this idea but I don't see any connection with a dumb government and dumb citizenry.

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As I've said before, you will spend more energy than what you will get from it. No technology can save you from that unless you do genetic engineering (God forbid) http://newsinfo.inquirer....

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Wind, nuclear and solar energies are the best replacement for oil. This overhyped initiative is driven by the promise of more income for the government in the form of taxes.

I would agree with you on the wind, solar but not nuclear. Although it could produce a lot of energy for the country but the danger of accidents like chernobyl could prove to be more catastrophic than beneficial. Here in the Philippines being an earthquake prone area one big shake of its plant could wipe us all out. With regards to the plant I would say it may become a promising plant as many claimed that during the WWII many Filipinos have depended on these plants to be used as oil. This plant is abundant in our country that is why it wouldn't be hard to cultivate them here. Oil is good but it sure is fast depleting we need an alternative source and this plant is showing its potential.

When the Chernobyl plant met its accident, the whole of Europe was in danger of nuclear fallout. Fortunately it did not happen. If a nuclear plant in Taiwan meets a similar fate, there's a chance that the whole of Luzon could be irradiated. So we might as well. Japan, which is more earthquake prone than us, sources a significant, if not the majority amount of its requirement from nuclear. Nuclear is the real key to have sufficient energy. I would rather have land be given for food or preferably to forests than to allocate for this useless and hyped up plant. Our unfounded fears of nuclear energy is the reason why our electricity bills are high and gets a substantial amount of our budgets that could have been used for food and other important stuff.

And I doubt if they used the oil for vehicles in WWII.

Well I got your point in there but for me Nuclear energy is just not suited for us. I find it rather not environmentally friendly source. Although its true that it could solved our energy crisis but the risk involve is just more than what we can get. You could just imagine the amount of nuclear waste that it would produce. Its waste doesn't just fade away like any other waste products. We have problems like garbage diaposals right now where do you think this would be dump.

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My answer to your questions.

Plastics don't just fade away yet we still use it. Where do you think they are dumped? Jathropa is more destructive to the environment than nuclear reactors because land that should be for forests that absorb greenhouse gases are cleared. (And as if we can afford mechanized farming.) Production will still be ineffecient. Nuclear is the way to go. All industrial nations use it and if we keep on thinking backwards, we might as well continue going to other lands and forever be content to become maids, waiters and washers of Caucasian as--s.

We can do this all day...
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I still am not convince with your Nuclear solution. You may have a point in Jathropa to be more destructive but I do believe that Nuclear waste is more destructive and still pose a threat to the environment much longer and outlive us all. Japan did have accidents and what they did is temporarily stop the operation until they could find a solution to the problem. As they say Nuclear waste product remains a problem to those who use it they container that stores its waste will be rotten already but the nuclear radiation will remain fatal for 24,000 years. Its like plastics that is dominating our world it has become part of us and is slowly killing us with its use. Yes we are now posing a major problem with the plastics we are losing a lot of landfills and still we cannot find a suitable solution for its proper disposal more so if we introduce Nuclear which will produce an even more compelling waste disposal problem its just like you produced a more serious waste products such as plastics.

Nuclear waste products are actually better managed than normal waste. We can just put it into secure bunkers until space travel becomes cheap so we can catapult it into the sun. Or better yet pour it into American cities so that their dumb citizens get irradiated.

And rich nationa are racing to create nuclear fusion which has very little or no waste than the current nuclear fission. Though the project has been delayed for a decade because of beaurocracy.

Well till then let's wait for a viable solution than be a part of something that creates more problem like the plastic technology we have created. Dumping them in the sun could be but not possible right now. Dumping them in American soil well that could be if they would agree with us. Although technology is indeed grwoing these days but we should always take into consideration what consequences we have to take. As you've said the plant could be more destructive then beneficial fine then but Nuclear is not a viable solution either.

Wether we like or not we will have to use nuclear energy if our energy demands continue to increase. But you're in luck since we are a nation of self-righteous and/or hypocrites and idiots (I know many college graduates who are not very bright) so we shall remain poor forever and have no need for high energy generation.

Well that is fo us to wait if ever our government would indeed make the move for such. I just hope when that time happens they really have made it as safe as possible.

Not being self righteous, but I still do not buy your ideas about nuclear energy no matter how you call your fellow countrymen as self righteous and hypocrites.

Just like I don't buy your ideas (or lack thereof) about oil from plants.

Yeah i do understand your sentiments and thanks for making my post quite interesting and long I do enjoyed your shares with me and hopefully both of us would dream of a better Philippines and would consider our fellow countrymen to be worth calling as truly concerned with the environment we depend our lives with. Failing to recognize your true nationality will never make you a better Filipino yourself.

Just because I like to insult people doesn't mean I failed to recognize my nationality. Call unpatriotic or whatever but that will not stop me from speaking the truth about our degenerate country.

No one is actually calling you unpatriotic... but then its like talking to yourself that you keep on calling you fellow countryman degenerate but hey you are privilege to share your mind the way you comfortable calling you own degenerate countrymen. Does that sound nice to hear. :) but hey maybe you could post it in another discussion maybe I'll post my ideas in there haha!!!

"but then its like talking to yourself that you keep on calling you fellow countryman degenerate but hey you are privilege to share your mind the way you comfortable calling you own degenerate countrymen. Does that sound nice to hear.:)"

Sorry, but lame attempts at sarcastic psychoanalysis means nothing.

Well anyways its just a comment about how you want to project yourself. Hey I have a suggestion it would be interesting to discuss this in another post.... perhaps you initiate it and maybe we could earn or learn something from your views. Nice hearing your sometimes derogative remarks on your fellow countrymen. Call it lame again it doesn't matter anyway! :D

So who's protecting himself now.

BTW, if you want to see how I insult people, go to asiafinest.com then straight to Philippines chat forum and search for the posts of eldard, federmale and kahntoot. Those are my usernames as I keep getting banned over there.

Oh I see well I was thinking in here were we could all learn and earn haha!!! Yeah sometimes you might get banned from just using those words.... Just let me know what topic you want to discuss looks were in draw in my discussion in here and our responses is not appropriate in here anymore haha!! Besides its getting pretty long

I would say you are also right in there but I would also resist developing nuclear energy as it may prove more devastating than beneficial. Chernobyl is such an example to that. they are lucky they have a vast land so they can easily abandon Chernobyl and find a place to live their lives again but then it was just disastrous. Being in the earthquake zone were more in danger of having the same fate even if our workers are not as negligent as those that work in Chernobyl it could be an act of nature that could make the misfortune and i don't want to live in an irradiated Philippines. Geothermal is an age old alternative but then they are also being depleted like the ones in Tiwi Albay. As to Wind and Solar it is happening now on a smaller scale. I think I saw one in remote places like Batangas and in some parts of Mindanao. Wind technology is also being done in one town in Ilocos Norte and its true any new technology is quite expensive to maintain as it is new technology. Jathropa plant maybe a promise alternative plant but as the news clipping has asid it it may tip the balance of producing food and producing the alternative oil.

Why are you so fearful of the nuclear energy when it will cheapen our electricity cost,they are only frightening us,besides there are many technologies to prevent another chernobyl disaster.

Oh yes there are indeed many technology that is available but at what cost will it make for us. It may be the ultimate solutions for a cheaper energy but where do you think the was materials of this plants be dump. Places such as Taiwan and Japan I wonder where they dump their nuclear waste just to make their energy cheap.

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This is just what I am pointing out here.

There have already been nuclear accidents in Japan in recent years. Did anyone die? No. Technology now is more advanced than the Chernobyl era. Besides, engineers are paid well to do their jobs unlike in the old Soviet Union where everyone went hungry under Communism.

Until such a time that I can see a viable solution as to how they will dispose of their nuclear waste I will never be convince that this will become the ultimate solution for our energy crisis.

And do you think plants is viable? Even if we clear all land througout the country, it's not enough. We don't have land the size of Brazil.

rsa 101,you see i visited the website,yes maybe it's true or maybe it's half truth.what if the one who wrote that article is paid by the oil corporations so that people will turn their back against nuclear energy and embraced the bio fuel they are proposing so that they can monopolize the technology under that bio fuel scheme.Be practical.

Same as the news articles that was posted in here what if the nuclear supporters paid those senators to push the nuclear project to push through. Theory is just the same as yours. I could buy the ideas of alternative ways to create energy like wind, solar, and other creative ways to generate power but nuclear it could just be one of the dirtiest we could produce. It is like what borg_queen has said why we use plastics and we ignore that we are encountering mountain loads of waste from plastics in our place. We could not replace plastics because we created the need and the convenience it created but look how they are slowly eating up our environment nice and slow polluting every corner of our rivers and land and yet we cannot get rid of it. Nuclear waste is far more worse than that it could stay with us for quite sometime more than our lifetime sure we could easily say yes our future generation will take care of that but then why do we make our environment at risk now than prepare a better and cleaner environment for our children. If the radiation waste cannot just be disposed like easily why will we add to those that are making it.

I will tell you this,why did the USA,Russia,Japan and Taiwan built their nuclear power plant if what you are saying is true,they know better than us and yet they build their own nuclear power plant.

They built it because they thought it would be for the better but hey look at them now they got hooked to it like the plastic technology they could not get rid of the waste it is producing and they are trying to hide that they commited a mistake. Its like Drug when you get hooked on it you cannot stop it cause if you do you'll get drained.

Okay,stick to your stand and i'll stick to mine,fair enough?

Oh it is always fair :)

Yeah this is just a plant and yet they insist that Nuclear Power is the next best thing there is to solve our energy crisis. LOL!!

Anything that we can say as renewable energy is a good thing. Maybe I would also like that as we are all in an island surrounded by saltwater.