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myLot reputation of 63/100. ParaTed2k (6345)   ranked 24 out of 8,279 in listening to music 4 years ago

Madonna is going to be inducted. Now, if it was called the "Music Hall of Fame", or "American Pop Culture Hall of Fame", then (even though I can't stand any of the music Madonna has ever made), I'd say she not only deserves to be inducted, but should be listed among the top inducties. Her success and influence on her genre of music is well known and well documented. She has reached true "Fame" status, since even those who aren't into what she does, know who she is... but she isn't, has never been, and never has claimed to be "Rock & Roll" in any of it's subgenres.

There have been others. Others I really like, but it's not supposed to be about "like and dislike", it's supposed to be about Rock! Elton John was one of my first favorite musicians... he and Bernie Taupin have written a few Rock & Roll songs, but they've written a few country songs too, but that doesn't change the fact that he is a Pop act. Steely Dan I really like too, but Fagen and Becker themselves made a point of only using Jazz studio musicians... because they considered themselves Jazz.

Joni Mitchel was inducted against her will. When she was nominated, she talked about how stupid it is or a folk singer to be included in a museum for Rock musicians. In fact, if you played folk music back in the 60s and anyone ever heard of you outside your own hometown, you are probably in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame.

There are some who "crossed over" from non Rock & Roll genres to play Rock and made it to the top, so sure, people like Bob Dylan, The Byrds and Van Morrison can feel comfortable with their place in Rock & Roll history, but what did Woodie Guthrie do that was even CLOSE to Rock & Roll?

No, the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame has just become little more than a non telivision version of "The Grammy Awards". The 500 people who get to vote on the nominees seem to do little more than ask themselves, "Have I heard of this nominee", if so, apparently they mark the "yes" box.

For what I think is the first time ever, I agree with Johnny Rotten (another musician that got inducted against his will), when he said...

The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame is a Piss Stain.

 

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1. myLot reputation of 94/100. whywiki (3095)   ranked 1,846 out of 8,279 in listening to music   4 years ago

How ell said. I agree with you completely. Yes Madonna was popular with some people and as a pop queen she is good. As far as Rock n Roll she isn't a rocker. I think that only rock musicians should be admitted. No boy bands, No pop princesses, No hip hop bling bling classless guys and gals. Just good old fashioned Rock n Rollers!


myLot reputation of 63/100. ParaTed2k (6345)   ranked 24 out of 8,279 in listening to music  4 years ago

Thanks for the reassurance that there are rockers out there who understand.

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2. myLot reputation of 86/100. gardengrrl (841)   ranked 1,159 out of 8,279 in listening to music   4 years ago

Funny you mention this, I was thinking just the other day that they need to change the name of the place. I'm all about recognizing talented musicians of any genre, but do we have to put them all in OUR hall of fame?

I accept including forefathers like the bluesmen who influenced so many great rock and roll bands. To me, that doesn't include Tina Turner... or Ike, for that matter!


myLot reputation of 63/100. ParaTed2k (6345)   ranked 24 out of 8,279 in listening to music  4 years ago

Oh yeah! I was glad that they included an "early influence" category. Muddy Waters, LedBelly and others never played Rock & Roll, but there is no question as to the influence they played in its development.

But what influence did Madonna; Earth, Wind & Fire; or... as you point our Ike & Tina Turner have on Rock & Roll?

They are all greats in their genres... but not Rock!

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