The Red and the Blue of Politics and Religion!

@Tetchie (2932)
Australia
April 9, 2008 4:50pm CST
Alas! I lost my blue star for the sake of a discussion that I honestly thought was mature, intelligent and even entertaining from a communication point of view. Even if your opinion is not agreed with, doesn't mean a negative rating is the answer. It's possible the negative gremlins are on the prowl though I'm not convinced. I am disappointed. Do you think it's right to give a negative rating if you don't agree with someone?
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10 responses
• United States
10 Apr 08
I know how you feel. I had a 10 star rating from the time they instituted the stars until I made a post about raising my kids atheist or something like that and suddenly it was gone. Whatever. I really don't care. It isn't a popularity contest. I only rate people negative if their response adds absolutely nothing to the topic or they really tick me off because they are stalking all my topics just to disagree with me (has happened). Then I go back and rate every single one of them negative no matter what they say. Maybe I'm bad but it gets annoying after awhile.
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@Tetchie (2932)
• Australia
10 Apr 08
Annoying and disappointing. I don't do the revenge thing cause I don't want to play the same game. You get to learn allot about human behavior through this forum!
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@speedy1279 (2665)
• United States
10 Apr 08
No it's not right for someone to rate others negatively just because they disagree. I do agree with you that the negative gremlins are on the prowl right now. This exact same thing happen to me. Two days ago I had a pretty blue star and then yesterday it dropped to a red nine. I have no clue why!!! I didn't start any serious disscussions that could have caused people to rate me negatively. But apparently I upset someone, I just don't know who. The only time I use the negative button is when I see someone being extremely rude or harrassing another member or someone responds to a discussion of mine that has nothing to do with the discussion. Other than that I give everyone a positive rating, even if I disagree with them. By the way I gave you a positive rating for this discussion. I hope you get your blue star back soon!
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@Tetchie (2932)
• Australia
10 Apr 08
Thanks speedy, +'s to you too. I wrote to admin asking if they could shed some light on it. They replied that they are investigating because it's happened to quite a few people. Sometimes it's good to get into a passionate discussion - it's good for the brain, but there's no reason to rate negatively if you don't like what they say. I agree with you.
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@Tetchie (2932)
• Australia
10 Apr 08
Me too and that's moreso why I'm a bit peeved because I didn't think my standard of responses had dropped. Maybe I was being delusional!!
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• United States
10 Apr 08
Well I never said anything to mylot about my star dropping because I figured it was just because I upset someone (still no clue who?). But if it is a glitch then I may say something. I had that blue star for almost a year and was very proud of it.
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@dodoguy (1292)
• Australia
10 Apr 08
Hi Tetchie, I reckon a lot of people are missing a few relevant factors when they worry about the star rating. First and most obvious (as pointed out by a few other respondents here), the star rating is a popularity contest. Plain and simple - it really doesn't matter what the administration here might say or how they might attempt to fluff it up into something more sophisticated. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, talks like a duck, and molests passing cats like a duck (which is why cats are afraid of ducks), then it's most likely a duck. Same here - it looks like a popularity contest, it behaves like a popularity contest, and it accosts chipmunks behind the nearest tree like a popularity contest, so why deny it (a rhetorical question)? A second and related issue - being a popularity contest, one might assume that there can only be so many people loitering at each level of achievement. This means that if there are some new myLot members who've clawed their way to the top, then it follows that someone else has been bumped from the top position to make room for them. It doesn't necessarily mean that negative ratings from other members is the culprit - it could simply be that other members are getting more positive ratings. All in all, this tells me that the star rating isn't quite so versatile an index as it's made out to be. But that's hardly of great concern, unless the star rating is factored into the value of one's posts for compensation purposes. That would be bad, because it would mean that myLot members could deliberately sabotage another member's earnings by giving negative ratings to their posts. Yes, Yes, as emphatically asserted by Crash, myLot uses a diabolically clever algorithm to determine the star ratings assigned to each member. I'm sure that the outcome of the Miss Universe pageant involves similar sophistication.
@dodoguy (1292)
• Australia
10 Apr 08
Hi Tetchie, Chances are there will always be a percentage of the population with a vindictive streak that compels them to lash out at anyone they disagree with. That same old idiosyncratic "power" thing that seems to motivate so many social interactions. Regardless, I wouldn't be too getting paranoid over it if I were you. Many more important things to attend to - like deciding what to have on the toast for breakfast. It would be nice to have a 10 rating star, just for the hell of it (for those of us who like to dream of fame and fortune). But as another respondent suggested, it's possibly more wholesome to exist somewhere between extremes - not too heavy, not too light.
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@Tetchie (2932)
• Australia
10 Apr 08
But but but......I like being popular!! Yee Gods, you talking about survival of the fittest here on myLot. Let the games begin, though I doubt the duck would stand a chance. Okay so maybe I'm getting long in the tooth, a bit stale. Is that why my rating has dropped, some young whipper snapper has overtaken me? Oh, now I'm getting paranoid. And to negatively rating a post: it is like being dumped on if someone doesn't like what you say, even though what you say was not intended to cause another person grief. But I guess when you don't agree some are going to take it personally. I admit, I've taken personally the fact someone pressed the negative button against my post which was my opinion and my truth - freedom of speech . Plain and simple. If that person didn't agree, then fine - say it in the post, but don't punch me in the face because of it and press the button. It's really the same thing except you're not face to face. You make me laugh, thanks dodoguy.
@Tetchie (2932)
• Australia
10 Apr 08
Just right and toast - you eating breakfast while on myLot? I'm in Texas as we speak, over the ocean Texas that is, black oil, Jed and Granny country.
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@emeraldisle (13138)
• United States
10 Apr 08
Negative ratings should only be given in my opinion to posts that break the guidelines. One or two word responses, foreign languages, or flaming posts. Other then things like that I can't really think of why people should give a negative. If you don't like the response, don't rate it then. Just ignore it but just because they disagree there is no reason to give it a negative. We should all be mature enough here not to feel the need for "revenge" on someone just because we don't like what they say.
@emeraldisle (13138)
• United States
11 Apr 08
You are right there are some who you do really wonder about their age since the maturity level seems so low. Not much we can do about those however. We just have to remember not to let them drag us down to their level.
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@Tetchie (2932)
• Australia
10 Apr 08
Thanks emeraldisle, I agree. I think that word maturity is the key here.
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• United States
10 Apr 08
I don't give a negative if it is something I disagree with because, it is a opinion for one and its freedom of speech. Everyone can say what they want in my view. But giving a negative for a disagreement is rather immature in my personal and honest opinion.
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@Tetchie (2932)
• Australia
18 Apr 08
Agree, I suppose some people get their nose out of joint when you disagree with them. But that makes for a very boring discussion if all you ever do is agree and not discuss wider views. Thanks motorheadbanger.
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@theprogamer (10532)
• United States
10 Apr 08
Another person complaining they lost their 10 star. -_- Don't take that the wrong way, its just a drag system overall and things can be worse Tetch. **************************** Come back to me when you've been sent to rank 4 after 24 hrs of starting on mylot. Come back to me when you've earned rank 8 and get sent back to 5 in 24 hrs. Come back to me when it takes several months to advance a single point. (Not a single star, a single measley stinkin point! i.e. 64, 65, 66) Come back to me when you post discussions like this http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/1360349.aspx http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/1360501.aspx and responses like this http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/1460382.aspx http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/1459593.aspx http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/1453238.aspx http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/1424025.aspx and you get told your activity isn't "quality" ************************************************* Long story short, that star rating is broken and just a large popularity contest. As for your questions, yes there are people who go around negativing others and they'll get friends to help (or multiple accounts). I've had to go through star vandalism three distinct times. So no one, not even lot itself will convince me "they don't exist". No I don't think its right to give negatives when you disagree. That is not only dishonest its against the rules.
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@Tetchie (2932)
• Australia
10 Apr 08
I really like your discussions and responses. We speak a similar language I'm just discovering. And I don't know why I have taken so long to befriend you. So I hope you accept so I can participate more in your mode of thinking. It's out of the box which is refreshing for me. When I started here - a long time ago there were very few people who understood where I was coming from. Please excuse me if I start to haunt your postings for awhile!
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
18 Apr 08
How come I miss these confronting sorts of discussions? I'm not sure what ou are referring to but I'm more than ever convinced that the star thing is BROKE! I do not agree that a differing opinion should rate a negative. That's just immature and stoopid! But there are some very petty people around. Please don't worry about it...it just aint worth it mate.
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
19 Apr 08
Lovely to see you too Tetchie.
@Tetchie (2932)
• Australia
18 Apr 08
Hello Ms Tickle, hope you're doin' fine. And I've gone down another point and I've no idea what I did to deserve that. Oh well, keep trudging along regardless. Nice to see you.
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10 Apr 08
It seems so petty to mark down a negative, simply because you might disagree with someone. I don't think I have ever marked more than a handful of negatives since I joined here. If I don't agree with someone's posting then so be it, but I won't mark negative purely for that reason.
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@Tetchie (2932)
• Australia
10 Apr 08
I think when I first started I gave a few negatives. myLot changed the rules or made rules on what constituted a negative rating about a year ago. Since then I've not given one. If I don't agree I just move on. I think there is a negative gremlin at the moment, lots of people are having this happen. Thanks recycledgoth, good to speak again.
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
19 Apr 08
I absolutely do not think it's right to give a negative rating if I don't agree with someone. It clearly says that in the guidelines but that doesn't seem to matter a bit to these gremlins you mentioned. I've come to look at it this way - if that's what it takes for some people to get their jollies, going through someone's posts who had the gall to state an opinion other than their own, that's time they're NOT using to earn points or money here. In the end they're only hurting themselves. Also, if they used the time they waste on giving out minuses instead trying to present their point in a reasonable and intelligent way maybe they'd even convert some members to their way of thinking! I have some friends here with whom I rarely agree on political issues yet I consistently give them positive ratings and often even give them BR because they don't play these childish kinds of games themselves and when they disagree with something I or someone else posts they do so in an intelligent and mature manner not by being abusive and disrespectful. Good post! You're not alone in having this done to you. Annie
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@Tetchie (2932)
• Australia
19 Apr 08
Thanks for your input anniepa, I guess there are those that don't like being disagreed with. One thing I've come to learn is to not let this type of thing stop me from 'standing strong in my beliefs' one of which is to express myself and be heard As long as I don't hurt anyone in the process I can't see a problem with it.
@barehugs (8973)
• Canada
10 Apr 08
I've never had a blue, but I did have a red star for a while. Personally I believe that a low star rating is a Badge of Honor. I've noticed that those who sport a blue are the myLoters who tend to agree with everyone. (Their fear is showing) I take pride in my low star rating because I like to wear my honor where all can see! I will always tell it like I see it, and May the Devil take the Hindermost!
@Tetchie (2932)
• Australia
10 Apr 08
A badge of honor - I can see that!! But, hey, are you suggesting I'm the agreeable type? Hmmmmm!
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• United States
10 Apr 08
You may be right to some extent that people who have a blue star tend to always agree. But not everyone with a blue star agrees with everyone else. Up until two days ago I had that lovely blue star (for almost a year) and believe me, I don't agree with everyone. If I come across a discussion that I don't agree with than I am going to state my opinion that I don't agree. But when I don't agree with someone I do it tastefully as to not attack anyone.
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@barehugs (8973)
• Canada
10 Apr 08
I'm sorry if I came across that way! I didn't mean to. No this isn't a new idea I've been entertaining. I'm certain of my facts. Wear your low star rating like the Badge of Honor that it Is!
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