Gang Culture & Knife Crime - What Do You Think Can Be Done About It?

@ellie333 (21016)
May 28, 2008 3:15am CST
The age group of people getting involved in gangs and knife crime tends to be teenagers, especially boys. Do you think bringing back National Service would help stop this. In the UK we used to have it, in fact my father was a teenager the first year it was scrapped so didn't have to do it but he got into trouble fighting and getting up to other stuff whereasa the generation before didn't. Is this because the aggression in the stag mentally of boys at that age was channelled positively into learning a trade and how to do things for themselves and learning respect for their elders etc. What are your views on this? Have you any ideas to put a stop to young teenagers being stabbed to death through knife crime? Ellie :D
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
28 May 08
I am vehemently anti the notion that we should reintroduce National service Ellie. All that we would end up with is trained and fit thugs. Why should the Armed Forces be landed with society's rejects? They have a hard enough job to do without legions of disaffected youths cluttering up the place. Apart from the two World Wars and immediately after, we have never had National Service. What there was before was respect for each other. There was also rampant class consciousness, we all "knew our place" and tended to stay there. Actually, crime was probably worse in the Victorian era than now. What we are now experiencing is something that we seem powerless to control. Whilst we both have children at Universities, I do think that too many go and that many would be better served by being offered proper apprenticeships (rather than the "Modern Apprenticeship" which is worthless). However, to do that, we need to build up our manufacturing base that successive governments since Mrs Thatcher have systematically destroyed. This is now almost impossible to do because the cost of labour is so high here that we cannot compete with the emerging economies of China and India. Punishments do not fit the crime any more, and don't seem to work. No doubt somebody will send these murdering little darlings off on an all expenses trip to somewhere exotic as they are "misunderstood". In the old days of corse, we simply sent our criminals to Australia - they made such a good job of being there, that now half of us want to emigrate without having the decency of a criminal record. (Sorry Goodie or Sue if you are reading this). Sorry if I ranted there Ellie. I am as frustrated as you by this whole mess.
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@ellie333 (21016)
28 May 08
Thats ok its good to get it out and I myself are really at a loss as to what should be done. My brothers said all thugs should be sterilised as they are just breeding more thugs that we then have to support as they don't work either. Apprenticeships were great things and many of the trade skills have now been lost and like you say manufacturing has now been farmed out to other countries. It is all a mess. Trained and fit thugs you have got a very valid point there, it was just that I was wondering how we can put a stop to it all and that came into my head to ask. Yes I also agree that too many children are going to University rather than the corporate route which instill life skills at the same time as learning because when they finish will the jobs be available. My daughter chose her form of physcology rather than forensic because everyone else was doing forensic which would mean it would be harder for her to get a job when she left because of that. I actually worry over them going out as it does seem to be the innocents that are getting killed and caught up in it all. RESPECT, yes you have hit on a very good word there. There needs to be respect for parents, elders, and others in general but where is it a lot of the time. I know we have bought our children up to respect but so many others just allow them to do what they want when they want. Why are 12 year olds out at midnight. Mine would be in bed asleep at that time. Thanks for your input into this discussion. I really appreciate it. Ellie :D
@ellie333 (21016)
28 May 08
PS You also know how I feel about the prison service and the fact there are no deterrents to stop them. Ellie :D
@p1kef1sh (45681)
28 May 08
I do not understand the lack of parenting skills that exist today. You are quite right about 12 year olds being out at midnight. Not so much here, but in London in the summer I have seen them on their bikes or hanging around street corners very late at night. They should be in bed and why aren't they? If there is no discipline and respect within the family, then perhaps it is not surprising that they give none in return. I even have people on myLot that send me to bed!! Mind you, I am a 12 year old in a 50 year old man's body. LOL.
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@Candee (530)
• India
29 May 08
Ellie, this is sad situation here! Youngsters are so unruly today. I was so dumb as a kid! I think this has to do with mostly proper parenting and also openess in the society and media. The other day I was watching youtube only to be amazed by the staggering number of videos on crime.
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@ellie333 (21016)
29 May 08
Yes it is very shocking. I just wish I could do something to put a stop to it. I just prayer for protection for my friends and family from this and also for peace. Ellie :D
@Candee (530)
• India
29 May 08
Thanx Ellie. Even I wish the same. Love and peace.
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@Candee (530)
• India
29 May 08
This shocking Ellie!
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@checapricorn (16060)
• United States
28 May 08
We have also that problem in our City ellie and the curfew being implemented was very effective to mimimize the accident. Parents too play a vital role in this matter, they have to monitor who are the friends of their kids,what are the activities and the like, so, as early as that stage, they can be corrected and be guided.It is very sad to note and hear young kids dying due to this act.
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• United States
28 May 08
Correct and maybe it's time to have some program to educate parents on parenting for them to be the right persons to raise a kid or the more unguided parents we are going to have, the more kids will be the problem of our society!
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@ellie333 (21016)
28 May 08
Yes the love and respect for others should be taught at home but unfortunately in too many homes this is not happening. I will pray for peace, love and respect from everyone to put a stop to this sad situation. Thanks for sharing your thougts on this. Ellie :D
@ellie333 (21016)
28 May 08
My brother says thugs will breed thugs so yes a good parenting course would be ideal I agree. Ellie :D
@littleowl (7157)
18 Jul 08
Hi Ellie I really believe that National Service it would teach these hooligans a lesson and perhaps they would come out with some respect for their elders to be polite decent human beings that will have learnt a career and able to get a good job...this generation are just totally out of control and don't have any direction in their lives it is frightening how the next generation are going to turn out-love and huggles littleowl
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@ellie333 (21016)
18 Jul 08
Hi Littleowl, something certainly needs to be done it is very frightening hearing about all these deaths to ones so young to, what makes them do it? It is a concern of mine as I have a little one and you must worry over your grandson as these are small children sometimes living this way not even teenagers yet an with no respect at all eh. Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this one. Huggles. Ellie @:D
@gemini_rose (16264)
27 Jun 08
Boys do have natural aggression in their teenage years as I am finding out with my eldest who is 16. He is so angry all the time, he says he cannot help it, I think it is all his hormones racing about. I also think that this is where some of them end up channelling their energy in the wrong directions and maybe joining gangs. All the kids in gangs are going through the same thing, together they are a bad combination. I do think that some kind of national service should be fetched in to be honest, it would give them something positive to challenge all their angst into.
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@ellie333 (21016)
27 Jun 08
Hi Gemini_rose, yes they do certainly need to channel it somewhere and not at others eh! Hormones are a definate factor in this and something worthwhile and positive would be great even if not national service maybe sea, air or army cadets. Ellie :D
• Malaysia
18 Jul 08
Hey there, I think there is no such thing as absolute security. there's no way to assure that a child is going to be safe from any harm. However, to be smart, what we can do is to make sure that our children do not get involved in a brutal environment. Maybe a little bit of simple rules like no going out after 11. Monitoring who the friends he go out with might be a good thing but sometimes the child might lash out and thinks you are trying to control them. So it's hard being a parent.
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@ellie333 (21016)
18 Jul 08
Oh being a paren is never easy I agree and this is why Wednesday night I had a sleepover for my daughter with 7 friends as I orefer them to socialise under my roof than to hangs out. My daughter is 17 but is always in by 10pm unless being collected from somewhere later, we can't wrap them in cotton wool but we can ensure we know who they associate with and by having her friends round I can check this out and they are all lovel well behaved people. Thank you for your response. Appreciated. Ellie :D
@ellie333 (21016)
19 Jul 08
Thank you. Ellie :D
• Malaysia
19 Jul 08
Your way of handling your child is quite flexible and understanding. :D
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@stephcjh (38473)
• United States
28 May 08
I'm not sure what will help to stop this kind of activity with these teenagers. girls are just as bad these days too. My daughter is 16 and she tells me all kinds of things that happen at her school and what some of the kids are doing after school. It makes me sick that are younger generations minds are so corrupted. I think this kind of activity has gone on too long and something needs to be done before it gets alot worse. I think these teenagers need more constructive things to do with their time. there should be activities for them to all come together to stop the violence.
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@marketing07 (6266)
• South Korea
28 May 08
hi ellie,now a days teenagers are very aggressive..i sometimes watch the news about that kind of thing and it was scary..here in korea middle school and high school students did that too i think this is the influence of movies or tvs.
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@ellie333 (21016)
28 May 08
I just wish that they would all be taught to love each other rather than fight and there would be much more peace in the world eh! Ellie :D
@lynettebyc (2416)
• China
28 May 08
Hi, ellie, younger generations now are hard to cope with, i have to say, although myself's not old. My younger brothers,, i don't know how can they come up those peculiar ideas, and it's even difficult for me to persuade them, let alone their parents. TV shows, magazines and internet may have to be blamed for this phenomena. I don't mean they're not good, they present difficult perspectives and cultures, but teenagers are not old enough to choose, they take all they meet. But can we forbid these programmes, absolutely not. Maybe we should educate children at a much younger age, first thing is to tell them from right and wrong. **Enjoy life~~**
@ellie333 (21016)
28 May 08
I have always taught my children right from wrong but these days even if they know knife crime is wrong sometimes they go out with knives to protect themselves against the others with knives (not my children but teenagers in general) It is sad to see so many young lives lost because of this. Thanks for sharing your views on this. Ellie :D