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Which Would YOU Rather Be Called - Bitter or a Whiner??? email this discussion to a friend?

myLot reputation of 69/100. anniepa (5549)   ranked 217 out of 3,470 in politics1 month ago

Or which ARE you, if you're either? Maybe you're both?
Seriously, for some perhaps the playing field has been leveled in this one instance, at least; some people got all pi$$ed off because Obama called them bitter and said they were clinging to their faith and their guns, then McCain economic advisor Phil Gramm calls us all a bunch of whiners in a mental recession.

So, let's discuss it. Were they both wrong for saying what they said, were they both right or was one right and one wrong? I'd like to read what you think and I'll be checking back in with my own thoughts after I go say a prayer, take my anti-depressant and shoot at something.
Annie

 
 
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1. myLot reputation of 82/100. cyntrow (2352)   ranked 489 out of 3,470 in politics   1 month ago

Most people just call me a biotch. LOL.

having said that, McCain did speak out against Gramm's comment. Obama did not back down from his statements. I can respect that, though. If you feel it say it.

Were either right or wrong? Well, since Gramm's words were not McCain's words it's not a great comparison. But I will say that both comments were wrong. Both speakers were not taking into account the human being, but instead reacting to the reactions. Hope this makes a bit of sense. Both speakers need to learn to not judge a man until they have walked a mile and a half in his shoes.

For the record, I support neither candidate. I intend to vote whatever third party candidate speaks to my heart and mind. It's great because this is the first year in 20 years that I have not voted against someone, but am voting FOR someone. I just don't know who yet. It takes a great deal more research to find the right third party candidate

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2. terribleturtle (64)   ranked 724 out of 3,470 in politics   1 month ago

I like pie.

Strawberry-rhubarb is my favorite. I like to have ice cream on top of it and a hot cup of coffee. Mmm good.

I really don't like bitter wine though. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth and show a lack of judgement for even consuming more after I have found out its bitter wine.

I think its wrong to call anyone anything when these people are in the position they are in, especially when the stakes are so high.

I think they are both wrong for saying things that alienate half or more of the voters in this country.

I DO think there may be a shed of truth in each statement, but when a small thing like a backhanded comment may be the determining factor in such an important and ground breaking election, I think they are best to keep those comments to themselves.

My prayer was answered Annie, I went to get my gun to shoot something, and I found a joint. After that my thoughts of mental depression just lifted.

Nice to see you again annie.

TT

 
3. myLot reputation of 86/100. ZephyrSun (1243)   ranked 46 out of 3,470 in politics   1 month ago

I honestly don't care because the whiners thing is a bunch of bullshyt. We are all whining because we don't make millions of dollars a year and it does affect when gas is crazy expensive, food bills are climbing, and lots of people are having their homes foreclosed on. Think we have something to whine about shoot I think that we are able to be whiners and be bitter! lol As they are sitting on their fat a$$ making millions we are working our a$$ off just to make ends meet, if they had to live our life they would be bitter whiners. But, with all that said I KNOW that the Democrat will be thinking of ways to take care of the little person that is having trouble, while the Republicans on the other hand are taking care of their buddies, the CEO's and all of the other rich people.
But as always these are only my personal opinions.


myLot reputation of 69/100. anniepa (5549)   ranked 217 out of 3,470 in politics  1 month ago

Yes, they're only your personal opinions but I happen to share them, Hon. The "whiners" comment made me mad but the "bitter" one didn't and most of the people I know, all fellow small-town Pennsylvanians, the ones Obama was talking about agreed with me and knew what he meant. You're darn tootin' some of
us are bitter!
Annie

 
4. myLot reputation of 64/100. Taskr36 (2039)   ranked 123 out of 3,470 in politics   1 month ago

To some degree both were right. Just look around mylot and you'll see no shortage of bitter, whiny Americans. The problem is that these are politicians saying that. Neither Obama, no Gramm can understand our plights because they have NEVER had to struggle to make ends meat. Both of them said what they said with elitist attitudes.

Gramm felt he was better than us because he's not whining. Of course, nobody on mylot with a fortune in his pocket is whining right now. Obama said small town folks were bitter and clinging to guns and religion after giving up on the economy (paraphrased). He's not a small town person and has no idea what it's like to be one. As such he's looking down at them and making a judgment on people he can't possibly understand.


myLot reputation of 69/100. anniepa (5549)   ranked 217 out of 3,470 in politics  1 month ago

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myLot reputation of 64/100. Taskr36 (2039)   ranked 123 out of 3,470 in politics  1 month ago

In the end, regardless of which is more offensive, or what each one means to you, there is one big difference. Obama is running for president, Gramm is not. Now that Gramm has left McCain's team I feel his opinions are largely irrelevant. Obama however, is very relevant.


myLot reputation of 69/100. anniepa (5549)   ranked 217 out of 3,470 in politics  1 month ago

That's a valid point but is Gramm REALLY "gone"? I've heard that if McCain is elected GPhil Gramm will play a major role in his Administration, possibly as Secretary of Treasury. Now THAT would be relevant, indeed!
Annie


myLot reputation of 64/100. Taskr36 (2039)   ranked 123 out of 3,470 in politics  1 month ago

Well that's a big if so I'm not really going to get concerned over that. If Obama is elected president than Obama WILL be president. There are no ifs about that. I don't trust him and frankly every indication is that he doesn't have the guts to face or talk directly to the American people.

 
5. myLot reputation of 19/100. MntlWard (493)   ranked 1,125 out of 3,470 in politics   1 month ago

There are some huge differences in the two statements.

"Whiner" is an insult, and Phil Gramm called nearly everyone in the US a whiner. "Bitter" isn't an insult. It was a word Obama used to describe how he thought some people were feeling. I italicized the word "some" because Obama was only referring to some of the people in some small towns in one US state.

Another difference is the reaction. I haven't noticed any of the folks who took the "bitter" statement so personally (even if they don't live in that state) complain about being called "whiners." Then again, those folks might be in better financial shape than most or believe the economy is doing better than it is, so they aren't whining. lol

Me, I'm a little bitter. cry

 
6. myLot reputation of 69/100. fiona08 (305)   ranked 274 out of 3,470 in politics   1 month ago

You crack me up! Lol I wish I had something amusing to say, but I don't, so I'll just say this; I still don't think that what Barack Obama said concerning citizens being bitter, was at all derogatory. I don't think he said it with an elitist attitude, as some people have projected. I think he was being truthful, and addressing the way he sees some people as feeling. I think he was being empathetic, saying, he understands that life has gotten SOME people down, to the point of bitterness, and it is time we do something to alleviate the real problem. As for Gramm's comments...a mental recession? There sure is a lot of physical, visible evidence of this mental condition we're all in.

 
7. myLot reputation of 70/100. suspenseful (12099)   ranked 36 out of 3,470 in politics   1 month ago

I suppose they were both right and both wrong because not all the American people are whiners, and not all the American people are bitter. But it depends on what they were bitter or whining about. I would see if they were complaining about the high price of gas and the high price of food that should be lower then they had a perfect right to feel as they did. I think the candidates and candidate representatives were telling them in a roundabout way to send their complaints where it would get the best results.

 
8. myLot reputation of 44/100. PreetSG (134)   ranked 480 out of 3,470 in politics   1 month ago

People that are bitter and thus they whine.
If they are not, they would enjoy butter and wine;) (Just for a cheesy rhyme)

 
9. myLot reputation of 95/100. xParanoiax (3092)   ranked 38 out of 3,470 in politics   1 month ago

If Obama said they were bitter today...he'd probably be right. So...maybe he just jumped the gun, eh? (I'm referring to the economy and how we all feel about it now. Bitter's actually a kinder word to describe it than...say...whining which is false).

To say our problems are "mental" is to suggest that all of our problems are in our heads. These are not imaginary problems...so obviously it does not accurately describe us now.

Perspective;
"Amy and her family were just made homeless by their foreclosure last week..."
"It's all in their heads, they're not homeless! The whining babies!"

 
10. myLot reputation of 95/100. underdogtoo (2601)   ranked 905 out of 3,470 in politics   1 month ago

I wouldn't want to be called bitter because bitter seems so hopeless. I also would not relish being called a whiner because a whiner seems so helpless which I am not. If I were a candidate for president I would not call anyone bitter or a whiner because these would make me a candidate for president of whiners and bitter people, what a joke. I would see the best in people and try to convince them of their greatness and their best qualities. This merely shows that neither candidate has the stature which can be called great and they deserve whiners and bitter people as their constituents.