Why is it that nonchurc goers believe that only perfect people can go to church  |
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I read in some discussions, that whenever someone who is a Christian but does not go to Church and the ones who now have turned to a different belief or now do not believe in God, speak of church goers, they say they are hypocrites. Now would not you think that someone who does not do what a Christian should even though he claims to be one, have to attend church and listen to the sermons so that it will finally get through to him? Make him extremely guilty and convince him in his heart? After all, that hypocrite could walk out, but the fact that he stays means that he feels the preacher's eyes on him whenever he quotes certain phrases from the Bible. I mean you want that blasted cheater to really feel guilty so he does not do that bad things he was doing. Or would you rather have him not go to church and then find out later that when he did his income tax for you, he did not send the money in but kept it for yourself? As Jesus said, "I have not called the righteous but the sinner to repentance."
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1. DrMario (1131) | 1 year ago | I'm sorry suspenseful, this just doesn't make much sense to me.
I read it over and over and I simply couldn't find a question in there to answer. Maybe you could clarify this and post a single question that you would like answered and I'll do my best to respond.
I guess I'm not so smart today, I didn't know what you wanted me to answer.
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suspenseful (17075) | 1 year ago | Why is it that non-church goers say that the Christians who do attend church are hypocrites? And what would be better to have the ones who are hypocrites attend church and listen to the sermon and feel guilty or not attend church and hurt people by their actions? Oh and why should only perfect people attend church? So you can take it from there. I have a hard time asking that question or those questions myself.
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DrMario (1131) | 1 year ago | There are many people that claim to be Christians when they are, in fact, not.
They stand in judgement of others and think its ok because they call themselves Christians and regularly attend a service on the Sabbath.
Non-believers can see this and simply question those that make a claim that they are Christian when they see in their words, thoughts and actions that they are not following what the Bible tell us.
Those are the types that are being targeted.
We each make our own choice,but we are all sinners. We sin almost every day and when we go to church its for a connection with others that have sinned and look for a spiritual renewal each week.
I actually don't believe that Religion and Churches are necessary, in fact they sometimes do more harm than good.
Its our own relationship with God is what matters most. We need to witness with others that think the same way we do. That doesn't necessarily have to be in a church. A church can be anywhere where Christians meet and discuss the Word.
Religions are responsible for more violence and death that all the military conflicts combined.
Religinons and Churches serve to keep their existance possible, they don't necessarily want us to become saved, they are more concerned with how much we put in the collection plate.
I think we all fall into the category you mentioned. Our words and actions sometimes are in conflict with the Word of God as stated in the Bible.
We all would like to think we are perfect Christians, but the only perfect man was Jesus.
The non-believers are just seeking to attempt to engage us in a pointless debate. We must resist thier taunts and not engage in pointless debate. It is unwise to cast pearls amongst swine.
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suspenseful (17075) | 1 year ago | Sounds like a wise idea. Maybe they are trying to change us into God-haters. It will not work on the real Christian, but the Christian in name only can be easily led astray.
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snowberries (232) | 1 year ago | That's a laugh. We sin each day(!). I am not sinning. What kind of god would put someone here so they could sin? It's laughable really.
I am a spiritualist. But i see what drmario is saying when they say that some christians are hypocritical. I don't think you or drmario is, but some people who call themselves cristians are really nasty people and say offensive things to others.
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suspenseful (17075) | 1 year ago | Mind you can tell because they have that fake holier than thou attitude about them. And you catch them doing wrong things. Oh and you hear about it on the paper. And these people give Christianity a bad name. The devil must really love them.
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| Joealdape (5) | 1 year ago | Wise indeed! In the end it's your own personal relationship with GOD that matters! Isn't it? It is this very type of discussion that causes those Religious Conflicts that you refered to in the your second comment. Isn't the hipocryt us, for judging when in fact we want not to be judged by others? GOD has the final judgement. Jesus was a man, like every man, or woman, he was the son of GOD. I believe I am just as much the son of GOD. If GOD rules, and creates, why wouldn't I be his son? I have not been in a christion church for some time now but I don't believe that makes me sin more or less, and I try very hard to let my heart lead every action I take. Now if you consider having a beer a sin, than I sin, but I don't believe that is the case. So I say do what you know is good, what you feel in your heart is the right thing to do, and let others do as they please as well. I think that Christianity comes from pure beliefs in root but the establishment has changed the shape of the religion to politics. And we now engage in a political discussion and not one of spirtuality or religion.
Does the Church create the beliefe? Are those people in church the believers? Or do they go because they are still in need of proof?
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| chrystaltears (33) | 8 months ago | I recently returned to a church I had attended many years. If anyone had told me a year before that I would stop going there, I would have felt they had lost it. Nevertheless, I was hurt and judged there and left, slowly, not all at once. My heart was broken. I visited other churches from time to time, but they were not like my church. There were close family members who died during that time and recently, I became depressed, useless, sad, miserable, bad attitude, no initiative, etc. I knew the entire time what I needed to do, but we all know there's another being out there who hates God and was thrown out of heaven because he wanted God's place. Anyways to make a long story short, I prayed, returned to church and am so excited that God still had a hold of me. When you are not around bible believing, talking church people and spend less and less time in the bible,b you are going to find yourself more and more unhappy everyday. Once you live for God and witness His miracles and feelings and love, you CANNOT be happy and content without HIM. Yes there are hypocrits in the church, but sometimes when we backslide in attitude, judging, and the big one 'GOSSIPING!!' and such, the world looks at us, and to them, now we're the hypocrit. How dare us talk about God when we're not even going to church. They aren't expected to understand or behave in a manner suitable to us and God. They're not saved and transformed. We are saved, and if we aren't transformed, it's because we're not putting forth enough effort. Hey, I'm speaking from my own (me) experience. God Bless You All. We're all human. Even Jesus said He did not trust man because he knows human nature.
P.S. Very important. The word says when you have been saved and the devil sees your house swept clean, he sees you're not filling yourself with God every day, he sends back 7 times as many demons to fill you. It's happened to me, and I'm still trying with God's strength to get back to that peace and calm I knew before., but I CAN DO ALL THING'S THRU CHRIST WHO STRENGTHENS ME.!
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suspenseful (17075) | 3 months ago | It took me around a long time to find the church. The first church I went to as a child was a social gathering, if you do not like the minister even if he is telling the truth,you get rid of him. Then I went to a church where emotions ran rampart, and then a church were you had to confess your sins, the preachers were unmarried, and there was certain sins forgiven but not all and I am not talking about the unforgiveable sin. I met my husband there and he was so bitter about a friend of his not being forgven -that man was a little not right in the head - that he gave up churches altogether. Oh he said he believed in God, but he did not trust churches. He did not even want to watch the religious programs on Tv, because where we lived then there were churches but when we went to one because of a funeral, I felt they were not right. And when we moved to Manitoba, and after years, I starting going to a Bible believing church, he still would not come. It was only in this last year when he started to get what we think is Als and he could no longer move, and his muscles started to deteriorate, that he started to think well he does not have that much time left, so he had better go. But you can see what bitterness does to a person.
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2. taface412 (1984) | 1 year ago | Are you speaking for church goers or against?
HOnestly no one should go to church to be taught or reminded of how they live their life. It should be a stepping stone for someone to start their own religious journey or relationship with God, but not soley as they only action to prove their righteousness. Those are the hypocrites and cheats and liars.
I knew a guy once who said he is not sure he believes in God but he goes to church just in case. DUH....
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suspenseful (17075) | 1 year ago | I guess he is what is called a seat warmer. I go to Church because I always believed in God and I love to hear the pastor relate God's actions with men. Maybe the non-believer wants God to have a physical representation like Zeus or Thor. Well God had a physical body back in the beginning of the first century AD as Jesus Christ, and few believed on HIM. So if a non-believer or Atheist says that he wants proof, maybe someone should show him the Four Gospels in the Bible, and point out the verses about the scribes and Pharisees.
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slickcut (6006) | 1 year ago | Some people also think they are to bad to go to church,so they stay home..That is a trick of the devil.He is so afraid that GOD might touch his heart & become saved...
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suspenseful (17075) | 1 year ago | I knew someone like that. He did not attend church until near the end of his life.
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3. revdauphinee (4120) | 1 year ago | just remember friend that sitting in Church will no more make one a christian than sitting in a garrage will make one a car!!!its whats in the heart that matters not legalism
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DrMario (1131) | 1 year ago | Excellent response rev. Well said.
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suspenseful (17075) | 1 year ago | I go to by the idea that if you are a hypocrite and you sit listening to the sermon, if God intended you to be a Christian, HE will open up your heart, but if HE did not, sooner or later, something will offend you and you will leave. Sometimes, unfortunately, that does not come in a short time. Sometimes it takes years. And sometimes the sinner is repentant and comes back years later. Happened to this gentleman who was lured by the world, but now he is back in the fold.
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4. Sillychick (2130) | 1 year ago | I don't think anyone is implying that you should only go to church if you are perfect. What I think people mean by calling church-goers hypocrites is that-- and don't assume I'm talking about All people-- but Some people who go to church seem to have an attitude that they are better than those who don't go to church, and that it is ok to sin all week as long as you go to church on Sunday.
This is not to say that I think this way about people who go to church, but I have definitely known people who preach about what a sinner I am for not going to church, because they go to church. But the other 6 days of the week they lie, use drugs, cut people off on the road, curse, use the name of God in vain. But they appear to believe that going to church on Sunday absolves them of all sins committed during the rest of the week.
Personally, I feel it is more important how you live your life, not whether you go to church. One of the sins these people commit is judging others. Doesn't the Bible teach us to 'judge not?'
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suspenseful (17075) | 1 year ago | This post contains content of a mature nature. You must be Signed in or Registered to have the option to view this content.
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slickcut (6006) | 1 year ago | I think silly chick is right.Some people who go to church have a stuck up attitude that they are better than the ones who don't,and that is the wrong attitude...I go to church to hear the word of God,to sing songs and to feel Gods spirit..Its a fact that the wheat grows with the tares,simply meaning hypcrites do go to church,but just because you go does not make you a hyocrite..Both christian & non believers go to church but one may be a true christian and the other a fool...
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snowberries (232) | 1 year ago | I agree with you sillychick. There are many christians who stick their noses in the air and think they are better or know better than everyone else. Yet all the christians i've known who have done this turned out to be molesters, adulterers, and liars. This is only in my experience, i'm not saying the majority of christians are. You are right, we shouldn't judge other people just because they believe something different.
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suspenseful (17075) | 3 months ago | It all depends on your attitude. If you think that only hypocrites go to church or only stuck up people go to church, you will be judging people and making Christians out to be bad people. So rather then thinking that the church is God's house as the Roman Catholics say, or church is where you hear the word of God, as a lot of us Christians think, they think church is a building where hypocritical stuck up people are and there may be a few honest Christians among them. And they forget that only God knows a person's heart and a person may be a hypocrite in a few things (like smokers for instance who say to a person "don't smoke" ) and yet be a true Christian. In other words, a person might be fighting a particular sin, and be praying to God to remove that "thorn from his side," But to sin deliberately is wrong and I do wonder if sinning deliberately is also a problem, in that some do not want to sin deliberately, but do. just curious about that fact.
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5. ellie333 (6792) | 1 year ago | Hi Suspenseful I have been guilty of using that sort of terminology myself but I do go to church although only to the family services as my son is so small. When I was using it though it was when I was annoyed that the people from a particular church were more concerned over how good their flowers arrangements in the church looked than of the welfare of a parishoner who was ill at the time and not one had been round to see how she was. I did, and to me that is part of what being a Christian is, to be caring and concerned for others and in this instance that wasn't being shown. Ellie:D
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suspenseful (17075) | 1 year ago | We have a nursery in our church, so the small ones go there. They just bought a Cd player so the babies can have nice music so they can sleep and not cry. Yes that concern about flower arrangements would make me good. You are supposed to care for the poor and needy, not to look good.
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ellie333 (6792) | 1 year ago | Exactly, which is why I am guilty of having used the terminology but I think with valid cause. Ellie:D
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slickcut (6006) | 1 year ago | Well you are right Ellie,they did have the wrong idea of what church was all about,however we cannot let people like that affect us,God takes care of them...I understand it aggrevates us but people will always disappoint us,thats why i do not keep my eyes on them,it might get me discouraged if i did...
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suspenseful (17075) | 3 months ago | When my husband's physical condition started to get worse, the church really helped us in arranging to get our house renovated, took care of my husband when I had to go out, and even took us on a picnic, arranged for a bus with powrer wheel chair access, and a whole lot of things that I cannot mention. And the most I can do right now besides write and sing, is to make cookies and cakes when someone comes over to help.
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6. Yestheypayme2dothis (3198) | 1 year ago | This is an excellent question. Maybe they expect perfection in OTHERS, but not themselves.
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suspenseful (17075) | 1 year ago | It could be. I expect to be perfect, but I fall short. Sort of like the Pharisee who said "I thank God that I am not like other men" and then listed all his good deeds and forgot that he was a sinner.
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7. lucy02 (4472) | 1 year ago | This reminds me of something Dear Abby said one time "Church is a hospital for sinners, not a museum for saints". I know a person or two that makes a point of telling me they don't go to church because of all the hypocrites there. I think its kind of funny. There are some hypocrites in church but there are just as many outside of church...and frankly it looks to me like they are the ones being judgmental. Everyone of those people who made those comments would not know I was going to church if they minded their own business cause I didn't tell them. Religion and spirituality is a personal matter. I don't bother people about theirs and don't expect them to bother me about mine.
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suspenseful (17075) | 1 year ago | I think the people in my neighborhood who are not Christians, know that I go to Church because they see me go with my Bible bag every Sunday morning and the Church is close enough for them to see. Yes there are more hypocrites outside then inside the Church.
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slickcut (6006) | 1 year ago | I think people who do not go to church because of hypocries being there is just their excuse because they don't want to go...I have a friend that stopped going to church because so many people was doing wrong...so i ask her "what does that have to do with you and your realationship with God? she had no answer..She needed to focus on her own soul & stop watching people..People cannot save you,only God can do that..
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suspenseful (17075) | 3 months ago | I agree with that. That is what my husband said, and it was not until he felt his need that he started to think about going to church and praise God, he did go to church this Sunday and has now expressed a desire to keep going.
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suspenseful (17075) | 1 year ago | It makes me sad when someone blames others for the lack of faith or the refusal to know God in his or her heart. I mean we all have to stand before God either on the right hand in glory or wait until the Second Death and stand before HIM in the final judgment.
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byfaithonly (6299) | 1 year ago | You got that write and I would much rather be on the right side of God when that time comes. I see in my own family several members, non-church-goers, who put me down every chance they get about going to church. I really think deep down not all but many of these people are insecure themselves and the old saying, "Misery loves company" fits.
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suspenseful (17075) | 3 months ago | That does seem to be the point. I would think that people would be better listening to a preacher preaching the word of God, and how blessed we are, then to sit home and complain all the time.
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9. slickcut (6006) | 1 year ago | Well first off their is only one perfect and thats God/Jesus..The Bible says no man is perfect No not one,so that sorta blows that theroy out ...People do not get perfect to get God,they get God to get perfect,is always the way i see it..People who say anyone is a hypocrite is judging,and thats a sin within itsself.,we are not judges..We are just human and we fail & we make mistakes but we have a just God and he knows our heart..I think people who say they are christians simply means they believe in God,but that does not make them a christian.The devil believes in God & trimbles,so the Bible says but hes not a christian..I think a person who is a real christian and lives the life of a christian would want to go to church to hear & feel God, that is IF they are able,many christians are bed ridden or sick..The most important thing about living a chritian is to get your eyes off of people & keep your eyes on Jesus..People will always let you down not because they are bad people its just human nature..I don't care what people think,if they say i am a hyocrite,let them..God knows the heart of each of us..Only he knows who his children are,and he never cared what the world though,he was pleasing his father in heaven,and thats what we have to do,please God & forget all the negative...I think anyone can go to church,good,bad or whatever.God searches the hearts of men,not people...
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suspenseful (17075) | 1 year ago | I understand when Christians are unable because of sickness or bed ridden. And we have Christians who come late because there is a blizzard, the car is stuck, and there are those who are not fast enough on their feet or are lame, and they are able to make it, even though they might come in during the sermon. But if you are able to go to Church, you should not let anything stop you. The only thing other then being unable to go is no bible believing Church in that area.
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slickcut (6006) | 1 year ago | I feel like you do.It makes me feel good to hear the word of God,hear the singing and feel the spirit Of God.It helps me to feel close to God to go to church..It makes my week and i also feel christians should attend church..It keeps you focused.It also helps to be with other christians that are believers.i think you are doing the right thing by attending church..
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10. GardenGerty (20278) | 1 year ago | It is a rationalization, so that they can excuse themselves for not going to church. An old saying I have heard is "It's better to be in church with the hypocrites than in he11 with them." I do not agree than only hypocrites go to church, and I also do not believe that going to church was a prerequisite to be saved. We are known by our fruit. I agree, though, that many things can be remedied by a good old fashioned preacher.
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suspenseful (17075) | 1 year ago | Those fire and brimestone sermons do work wonders. You feel that the preacher's finger is pointing to you. And they can explain so much and every time you listen to a Sermon, you get a bit more out of it. So why deny learning about God?
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byfaithonly (6299) | 1 year ago | Gerty I've never heard this saying but I love it and you can be sure I will be using it on a few of my family members in the future.
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