If You Were A Man How Would You Feel To Be Told You Are A Father Of A 17 Yr Old

@ellie333 (21016)
August 24, 2008 4:55pm CST
A guy I know who has always wanted children and in his last relationship his partner couldn't have them which eventually did cause their break up amongst other things for him to then bump into his girlfriend from 18 years ago who has married and had a son who has been bought up by her husband to be told he is your son. Whoah, very shocked, very happy, and as he was unaware no resentment from the child for him not having been there. When he told me my intial response was of anger that she had kept this from him all these years especially knowing his love of children and how much he wanted them. They are in contact over the phone and will be meeting for the first time this month. How do you feel about this? She may have had very good reason at the time but I feel he had a right to know then. Would you just be pleased to know you had a son or resentful over the fact that she had taken the last 17 year of you sharing your sons life away? Ellie :D
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@mummymo (23706)
29 Aug 08
OH My what a shock that must have been! I think anyone would feel overwhelmed with emotion on hearing such a thing and the main one would be joy but I think their would be some resentment and bitterness over all that had been missed in the last 17 years! I do hope that he can build a fantastic bond with his son and that they have a wonderful relationship! xxx
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@mummymo (23706)
30 Aug 08
That is so sad about his Mum! I do hope he manages to just think of the happy side and not get bogged down by resentments! i cannot believe his ex never told him - I know one woman who has never told anyone here who the father of her son is and hasn't told the father he has a son - I find that really weird and I could never do that to a man! xxx
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@ellie333 (21016)
29 Aug 08
Hi Mummymo, I think the joy outweighed everything else but at the same time he did mention to me when I said I would be so mad at her for having not told as you have missed all his childhood years and he said that he was more upset that his late mother never got to learn that she had a grandson bless so I think the resentment will raise itself at some stage but meanwhile he is looking forward rather than back to building this relationship. Huggles. Ellie :D
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@cyberfluf (4996)
• Netherlands
25 Aug 08
That's one heck of a story you got there, Ellie! I would be thrilled to know that I have a son, but very angry at the same time for taking away the chance to be with him during his childhood. Children are allways in the middle of these things and I regret that. Even if she had her reasons not to see him that should never affect the bonding of him and his son, or so I personally believe. My parents had no contact with my fathers father and mother (so my grandpa and grandma) as they had a huge fight. When I started to ask about grandmothers and fathers and if I had another grandma (I only knew one grandma) my parents told me that they had grown-up people problems with them but that my grandma and grandpa loved me a lot and they would be happy to take me to meet them whenever I wanted to. I think this is a great solution, I had the chance to meet them and judge for myself. I loved my grandpa, he passed away; god rest his soul. My grandmother is still alive but I haven't got contact with her anymore, but I am 22 now and this is because of personal reasons rather then my parents keeping her away from me.
@cyberfluf (4996)
• Netherlands
25 Aug 08
That's true, I am very happy I have had this choice. I consider myself lucky . It's a good thing that at least they now have the chance to built a relationship, a wish them the best of luck!
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@ellie333 (21016)
25 Aug 08
Oh so do I, apparently he is an apprentice mechanic and that is what my friend does so that in itself gives them something in common to talk about when they first meet eh! Huggles. Ellie :D I have trouble sending PMs I hope you finalyy got my relpy, I tried to send about four times but if not rather they type again a shortened version, all cool, no worries yeh LOL. Ellie :D
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@ellie333 (21016)
25 Aug 08
Hi Cyberfluf, at least you where given the chance to make up your own mind. My own sons father doesn't want to know but I made him aware when my son was born, he has turned up now and again but is a waste of space but at least both are aware. I think I would be angry at the lost years but he just seems estactic that he has discovered he is a dad after all these years and is looking forward to building a relationship with him. Huggles. Ellie :D
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@skinnychick (6905)
• United States
26 Aug 08
That poor kid- that woman should be ashamed of herself for not disclosing her son's father. That man should be more than p1ssed at her for taking the ability to help raise his child away from him. It's unbelieveable. He missed his son's whole young life. I guess the good is that he can have a relationship now with him. I wonder if the son is p1ssed at the mother, I would be if I was him as well.
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• United States
26 Aug 08
I'm with you there. I would rip the mothers eyes out! That is just horrible but the plus is that the man has a son to share his life with now and I'm elated for him!
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@ellie333 (21016)
26 Aug 08
Thanks Skinnychick so am I. They do seem to have something in common they can talk about also as the son is an apprecntice mechanic and his real dad is also in the car trade so tha will be a good icebreaker when they first meet eh! Ellie :D
@ellie333 (21016)
26 Aug 08
Hi Skinnychick, If I was the son I don't think I would ever trust my mum again and the guy should be angry but I'm angry for him as he is just so elated at having learned he has a son and is looking forward to their time together rather than dwelling on the past which I suppose is a great attitude really but I think once the initial shock is over this emotion has just got to rise to the surface as it also means that child has been kept from meeting other family members and this guys regret is that his late mother will never know she had a grandson, so sad eh. The father of my son is a complete waste of space but I contacted him when his son was born so he did have the choice. She obviously had her reasons but I could never do this to another human being especially not my own child. Ellie :D
@tessah (6617)
• United States
25 Aug 08
id be pissed over the lie. and this woman will be damned lucky if her son ever beleives anything she ever tells him again.
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@ellie333 (21016)
25 Aug 08
Hi Tessa, Yes I was really angry for him but at the moment he is just in shock and excitement over the fact he does have a son. They have spoken on the phone and will meet soon and hopefully will be able to build a great relationship but it doesn't bring back the last 17 years and I think once both are over the intial shock of it all any resentment from the son will be aimed at his mother as his father was unaware eh! She probably had her reasons at the time but even though my sons dad is a waste of space he is still aware and so is my son but his choice that he doesn't bother not mine so they will have to deal will in later years eh! Ellie :D
@tessah (6617)
• United States
25 Aug 08
same stuation with my oldest.. her sperm donor is a lowlife. but i think honesty is extremely important... and even though another raised her, shes always been aware and known. lyng to her would not only turn her life completely upside down when the truth finally came out (which it ALWAYS DOES) but destroyed any trust she had in me at all. she can expect and count on me to always tell her truth.. same as she can expect and count on the sperm donor to be a lowlife. now at 19.. its just another fact of life shes always known about and took for granted same as anything else kids just take for granted. and she wont ever feel betrayed by me.
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@ellie333 (21016)
25 Aug 08
Hi Tessa, Yeah I could have left it as my sons dad was already AWOL when he was born but at the same time I felt he needed to know he had a son and then he could decide. The TRUTH is what is important as you say and it is great that you were truthful with your daughter, this son once the shock of it all has sunk in I guess like you say will be asking him mum a lot of questions WHY eh! Ellie :D
@ShellyB (5241)
• United States
25 Aug 08
If I was a man I think I would do the best I can like you friend seems to be doing and be happy that I have a son. The past can not be changed but I could be a good father now that I know, 17 years can be both a short and a long time, there are still lots of experiences to be shared and that young man still needs his father. As for the mother she is not alone on bad choices, I also hold the father responsible for not looking back.
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@ellie333 (21016)
25 Aug 08
Hi Shelly, Good point there, but the relationship was over and she never told him so how can he be held responsible. He is looking forward to building a relationship with his son now and I hope this will make up for some of the lost years. The mother obviously had her reasons for not saying anything until now but I don't know what they were. Ellie :D
@ShellyB (5241)
• United States
25 Aug 08
I understand your point, the relationship was over and only the two on it can even imagine why the other acted the way she/he did. Not trying to saying anything against your friend, it just seem typical of men to have relationships/affairs and never think that the woman might be pregnant (and yes that is a possibility when neither use protection) What is good about this case is that your friend will now be a part of the life of his son, I guess the right thing will be to take it from there
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@ShellyB (5241)
• United States
25 Aug 08
You are so right :) (Tho I know someone who I wish knew the concept of protection in my family) LOL
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@mands61123 (2098)
25 Aug 08
my initial instinct is that if everything worked out ok and there is no resentment then this is probably how it needed to pan out for it all to be beneficial for each party involved. If the child had been unappy and had needed him there and not been able to see him or didn't even know about him when he could have offered support then i probably would have reacted how you did at first. I know it seems unfair on your friend but it's probably what was required in the cosmic balance of things because he has learned things from his mothers partner or non blood dad and now he will learn things and build a new relationship with his blood dad. She may not have realised the issues about the children and may not have wanted to burden him. Or she may not have been able to cope with still being in contact but not actually being with him. There are always alot of factors involved and she made the best decision she could at the time. She didn't have to reveal it but she has chosen to and your friend seems elated, be happy for him, enjoy this new relationship with him. You can not change the past and you are wasting energy being mad at something of which you have no control.
@ellie333 (21016)
25 Aug 08
Hi Mands, very sensible well thought out response. I think I was angry on his behalf really but yes I am elated for him that he is a dad and has his chance now to meet with his son. Yes she had her reasons and we all make decisions in life and in hindsight could have perhaps done things differently but she has let them both know now so they can all move on and a relationship can now be built between father and son eh! His only regret is that his late mother never got to know she had a grandson. Ellie :D
@ellie333 (21016)
25 Aug 08
Thats what I said to him too, not the same as seeing her grandson for real I guess but I said to him that she would be aware and really pleased for him. Ellie :D
25 Aug 08
aw that is sad but if you believ in what i believe i'm sure shes looking down on him and is happy for him now. He sounds like a gem hope all goes well for him babes
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@moondancer (7431)
• United States
25 Aug 08
I am a lady. I would not do this to someone. I don't know why she did, no one knows but her and maybe him. I'b be glad to know I had a child no matter the age and want to get to know him. It is good there is no resentment of him not being there. Maybe she told the child that she never told his dad. I think she owes him and explination about why she never told him and then move on from that. At least he would know why he missed out on all of those years.
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@ellie333 (21016)
25 Aug 08
Hi Moondancer, I was angry towards her for him but he is just so happy right now to discover that his is a father he hasn't had time to feel that emotion I guess. His only regret is that his late mother isn't alive to see that she has a grandson so I guess anger over not being told for all these years will eventually surface but for now the father and son need to concentrate on building a relationship. Ellie :D
@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
25 Aug 08
I would be upset. After all, we are talking about a man who wanted children and the one woman he went with, got pregnant and did not tell him about it. And I am sure that she knew how much he wanted children. Maybe she pretended she did not want any, maybe he was not making enough money, maybe she feared rejection, but she should have told him. She also kept it from the child, which was a good thing, or maybe she had no excuse that he did not beat up on her and abused her. Her husband should have known though. She was dishonest not only with her former lover but also with her husband. What would have happened if the son got in an accident in a small village where they did not have the modern equipment, and the husband was there and the blood types did not match? He missed out on teaching him how to kick a football, taking him to the baseball game, fishing, and all that guy stuff. At least they can make up for it, but who can make up for not being able to watch his son toddle his first steps?
@ellie333 (21016)
25 Aug 08
Actually Suspenseful you have hit on something here and the guy I know is quite successful these days but back then because of a motocycle accident had motobility problems and was out of work for a good while so perhaps he wasn't the catch she was looking for, I really don't know. He is upset that his late mother will never know she had a grandson but other than that he is estactic to find out after al these years he is a father and is looking forward to building a relationship with his son but not you can't bring back the lost years but he can only look to the future. I think I was more angry than he was at her for having kept quite. Their was no violence or aything like that in the relationship he is a big softie. Ellie :D
@cupid74 (11388)
• Pakistan
26 Aug 08
Hi dear well what if he had kid do u think he will want to know if he had kid when he had one night stand
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@cupid74 (11388)
• Pakistan
27 Aug 08
Hmmmm and what if father dont want to take responsibilty then why its always mother to raise kids If they were in relations it was both of them
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@ellie333 (21016)
26 Aug 08
Yes I believe a father has the right to be told if traceable so he can make a choice and also show responsibility too. Ellie :D
@gemini_rose (16264)
25 Aug 08
That must have been really shocking for him, I am not sure how I would feel about that. Angry, hurt and shocked. I would have wondered how come the person could have kept it from me for so long, and what I had done to deserve it. He now has to try and build a relationship with the child and get to know him knowing he has missed out on 17 years. My son has never met his father either, he is now 16 years old. This is not because of me being spiteful but because he was not interested in being a dad. Had he been a good person I would not have kept them from each other.
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@ellie333 (21016)
25 Aug 08
Hi Gemini_rose, I think I was angry for him perhaps he is in too much shock to be that yet, but he is really pleased that he has a son but sad that his late mother never got to see her grandson. He is looking forward to meeting him and building some sort of relationship too but he has missed 17 years of his sons life which he can never be part of which is sad. Like your son my sons father is a waste of space and has nothing to do with him and he went AWOL when I was pregnant but I still let him know when he was born, his choice then and my son and him with have to deal with it all when my son is old enough to realise what his dad is like. I am sure that once it all sinks in though the abger towards the mum will set in and questions as to why now, why so long etc. Ellie :D
@gemini_rose (16264)
25 Aug 08
My son has asked me once about his dad, that was when he was about 7 years old, I told him as best as I could and truthfully and he has never mentioned him since.
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• United States
25 Aug 08
I would, every child is a gift from God, it wouldn't matter if it took 17 years to open the package or not. I hope they can enjoy the memories each of them had growing up, even though they were differnt I'll bet some things are threaded together.
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@ellie333 (21016)
25 Aug 08
Hi Gitfiddleplayer what a refreshing perspective, I loved how you worder it too, yes every child is a gift sent from God I agree and now they can both concentrate on building a relationship together for the furute eh! Ellie :D
@msedge (4011)
• United States
1 Sep 08
If i am a man and be told that i am a father of a 17 year old i would be happy abou that and would do everything to make those times that i wasn't there in his life.A child is a blessing and i would feel so bless to have a child.
@ellie333 (21016)
2 Sep 08
Hi Msedge, yes a child is a gift that is sent however delayed the package is, which a close myLot frined said so yes a definite blesing which he will welcome into his life. Thanks for sharing. Ellie D:
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@msedge (4011)
• United States
11 Sep 08
Your welcome,ellie!
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@Opal26 (17679)
• United States
25 Aug 08
Wow, what a nice guy. How could he not feel angry at the woman for keeping his son from him for 17 years. Did it never occur to her in the last 17 years at any point to mention it to him? Why now, because they happened to bump into each other? There sounds like somethings missing to this story. I would think that he would have more questions and just a bit more resentment for being kept away from his child all those years. I don't know, maybe it's me but I'm just not getting this one Ellie. I just feel really bad for your friend.
@ellie333 (21016)
25 Aug 08
Hi Opal, I was angry too but I think he is still in shock and just elated at being a dad and looking forward to meeting his son. I think once the intitial shock has gone I am sure he will start to feel these emotions as 17 years is a long time to be kept in the dark isn't it and questions will be asked. Thankfully he shouldn't have any resentment from his son as he was unaware so couldn't be there and not through choice not to be eh! Ellie :D
• United States
25 Aug 08
wow, i would be angry at first but soon very happy, then I'd want some younger children
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@ellie333 (21016)
25 Aug 08
Hi Jordan, He is just so happy I don't think he has had a chance to question the lost years or to feel anger yet and is just looking forward to building a relationship with his son now. Welcome to myLot. Ellie :D
@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
3 Sep 08
Wow...that would be huge and so much to take on board. Not sure if I could handle it adequately. We have a new show called "Find My Family" It's been on two weeks now and I've been blubbering through it. It's about people finding their parents or other family. Last night it was a man who has a son of about 5 and a new baby and he wanted to find his Mum now that he has kids of his own. He was adopted by a loving family and bore her no ill will. I'm sure there are cases where the child or parent simply don't want to know. I imagine there would be many scenarios but the remorse some women must feel at giving up their baby could be very damaging. When my girls were born there was no government assistance for unwed mothers. If your family put pressure on you to give up the child that's what you had to do. If you wanted to keep your baby you had to have total support from your family or let your parents help raise the child or marry the father because you couldn't raise the child otherwise...unless you had a good paying job and could afford help. There were lots of shotgun marriages that eventually failed ... my own being one of them.
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@ellie333 (21016)
6 Sep 08
Hi MsTickle, The show sounds good and I would be blubbering too I guess. My friend though is estactic to have discovered he has a son and is looking forward to meeting him. I would be angry she had kept it from them all these years bu they have the future to concentrate on now really rather than regret the missed years eh! Huggles. Ellie :D
@msmell (1378)
• Australia
25 Aug 08
Oh this is so sad for your friend to want a child for so long and then to find out that you have one and that you have missed all his childhood years and if I was your friend I would be so angry at the woman for keeping it a secret! She had no right to that to your friend or to the child. The father of my children is not the best role model in the world and to honest is not someone that you would want for the father of your kids but he is there father and he doesnt have much to do with them but that is his choice not mine as he is one of these fathers that cant be bothered but anyway the kids know him and it is up to them if they want to know him or not but it is not up to me to decide that for them as they are their own person. But anyway I am glad that your friend now has that son that he has so long wanted and hope that they can make up for the lost time.
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@msmell (1378)
• Australia
26 Aug 08
Yeah I agree there is no point in being angry about it now whats done is done and Im glad that are able to move pass it and enjoy each others company now its a good out come for them both.
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@ellie333 (21016)
25 Aug 08
Hi Msmell, My sons father sounds similar to your childrens father but I still let him know when he was born so he could make that choice to be a lousy dad LOL. I am really pleased thought that he has discovered he has got a son and he can concentrate of building a relationship with him but the woman obviously had her reason at the time and he said rather than be angry he wants to learn as much as he can about his sons childhood and build a fuure with him in his life which I think is a great attitude really as he knows he can't bring those lost years back as much as he would like to eh! Ellie :D
@Cocoa33 (921)
• United States
25 Aug 08
i would be shocked. i would want to know why i am just finding out about this now. i should have been told then i may have a child. i could have taken a dna test to find out if that is a possiblility. why made the mother keep this from me. if the child is mine. its going to be hard trying to make up for lost time.
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@ellie333 (21016)
25 Aug 08
Hi Cocoa, I think having seen pics he does know the child is his and although initally shocked is very happy, he cannot bring back those lost years and I think I was angry for him but he can now build a relationship with his son. I am sure he will be angry and asking these questions once over the shock. Thanks for your input. Ellie :D
@tonniek02 (457)
• United States
25 Aug 08
I'm not a man, But my husband went threw almost the same thing. Only his son was 30 years old before he found out about him. I remember that when we had been married for about 5 years, he got a letter from a guy looking for his father. The only problem with the letter is the guy didn't say who his mother was. So my husband read the letter and when I ask him, who it was he said that so poor kid looking for his dad. I wish I could help, but I know where all my children are. Little did he know, he didn't. About 3 years ago. After he went to bed. The phone rang. It was a women, she wanted to talk to my husband. I ask her who she was and she said she was my husbands daughter in law. She was married to my husbands son, and she gave his name. I told her he didn't have a son with that name. She said yes, he left his mom when he found out she was preganent. I told her then she was call the wrong person. You see my husband had been married several times. And he married 2 of his ex wifes because they were preganent. He would not have left on for that reason. He loved kids. I told her she would have to give me more information before I would even consider talking to him. So she went on to tell me, who his mother was, where they were married, and how long they had been together. Then she hit the right information. I knew about all my husband marrages and knew this was right. I told her, I was not going to wake him, that I would take her number and talk to him the next morning. I didn't feel right waking him up from a deep sleep to say, "you have a son you didn't know about" he would think I was creazy. Before I could go see him at his job, she called back to tell me, I was right. Her husbands mother never told my husband about the child. She couldn't beleive I was so calm about the hole thing. I told her it's not like your telling me he has a 5 year old child, I wouldn't be calm over that!. When I got to my husbands job. I told him I needed to talk to him. He thought there was something real bad. and had a funny look on his face. I told him, Did you know that you had a son you didn't know about. He looked at me and said WHAT!! So I went on to tell him the story the women told me on the phone the night before. and gave him the phone number to call her. He sat there for a couple of minutes and said "what do you think?" I told him, it's not like it's a child born during out marraige, I'm not stupid, I realize you had a passed befor us. and you had been married before. So he called, and got to know his son. What I am trying to say, is maybe she did have her reasons. But the past is the past, you can't change it, you can only take the blessing that are given to you and enjoy the moment. And create memorys. Yes, I understand the anger, my husband felt them to. He lost out on 30 years of his son growing up and not being a part of his life. But he knew nothing he did would change the past. So he has just enjoyed the time he has had, and created memories of the begainning and learning of how his son grew up. He still holds alot of anger for his ex-wife. But, like he said. He doesn't have to deal with her, and she is still NOT a part of our lives. But his newly found son and his family is.
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• United States
26 Aug 08
I was reading through some of the responses, and one said that the father was as much to blame, cause he didn't look back and check with this women after they had split. Well that's just crazy.. How meny out there check up on your ex's from time to time. I don't. I was married the first time for 12 years. And I could care less where or what my ex is doing. I have not idea, where any old boyfriend are or who they married. That's my past and really don't care. And from what I see in this is he went his way and she went her way, The only one responsable is her. How was he suppose to know she was preganent. It shows that she just didn't want him in her life...So she made the choice to keep him out of the childs life to...And that was wrong. She made the choice to have the child he should have been given the choice to be a part of the childs life. But as I said the past is the past and It can't be change. All you can do, is start a new realtionship with a new future. Where that future includes a 17 year old child. It doesn't have to include the mother. Tell him to be a father, and even if he couldn't be there for him when he was young, he has the chance to be there now. And at 17 years old, this is the time a boy needs his father giudance, friendship, love and respect most of all. It's getting time for the boy to create his own life and become a Man and being a good father is the best why for your friend to enjoy the life he created. Tell him, Take him Fishing or hunting or even to a ball game. But show intrest in the things his son love and teach him the things he loves.
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@ellie333 (21016)
25 Aug 08
HI Tonniek, Thank you for sharing this story with me, wow 30 years of not knowing is a very long time and yes I can imagine your husband was angry for her not having told him but like you say you can't go back on live for the moment and share the joys of his son and his family now. It was great that you were also so understanding of it all but like you say it had all happened before he met you but if the child had been a baby the situation would have been completely different. The guy I know is just pleased to have found out that he has a son and is looking forward to thier first meeting. They have spoken on the phone and because as a father he was unaware the son has no ill feelings towrds him but wants to get to know him. I can't understand why she ha waited all these years to say something though. Ellie :D
@guybrush (4658)
• Australia
25 Aug 08
Wow - how wonderful for the man to find he had a son - and especially good that the son is excited to meet and get to know his father. I'm not sure what I'd feel about the mother keeping it to herself - I suppose there could be a few reasons for her actions, and without knowing the people involved it would be hard to judge. Maybe she was in love with someone else? Obviously the first couple had split up before her pregnancy was showing - maybe she felt the man would always resent her and feel trapped, and decided she would absolve him from any responsibility. I'm assuming the son is definitely the progeny of the first man, and that this has been established by a DNA test?
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@ellie333 (21016)
25 Aug 08
Hi Guybrush, whatever her reasons I really don't think she should have kept this from them both for all these years but now it is out in the open I hope father and son can build a loving relationship with each other. I am not sure on the DNA details etc but they are like two peas in a pod. Ellie :D
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@guybrush (4658)
• Australia
25 Aug 08
It IS a long time to keep that sort of secret, for sure. It will be lovely if these two can become close and try to catch up on all the memories as they discover eachother. It's a strange old world.
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@TessWhite (3146)
• United States
26 Aug 08
Well I'm not a man, but I can relate to the discussion. Several days ago my son got a phone call from an ex girlfriend. She is married with three children, and my son is going thru a divorce with two of his own children. She called to tell him that she thinks her oldest daughter is my son's child. He was in shock. She said she doesn't want anything, nor does she want a paternity test, but she thought he should know. My son called me in tears. He had been crying for over an hour. After discussing it with him we have decided to go on the assumption that the child is not my son's, since she doesn't want tests and it can't be proven. He doesn't want to think of it as his if he has no rights to it, and I don't want to think of having a grandaughter I'll never see. I really don't understand how a woman can do this. Don't they understand the man has rights too? Think of the years they miss out on while the child is growing up. Its not fair to the father, nor to the child.
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@ellie333 (21016)
26 Aug 08
Hi Tess, And why has your sons ex-girlfriend suddenly decided to do this after all these years and the hurt and upset i has caused. Your son is going through enough with the divorce and loss of seeing his own children daily to then be told but not to be able to see yet another child that he didn't even know he had if she is his. Very cruel. I was angry towards this woman for my friend but he is just so excited at the prospect of being a dad that he is just pleased he now has the opportunity to meet and build a relationship with his son. Thanks for sharing Tess, appreciated as you have been affected by this too. Ellie :D