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My mother fell today and was admitted to the hospital - for pneumonia.  email this discussion to a friend?

myLot reputation of 94/100. jerzgirl (3245)   ranked 5 out of 898 in my mother 4 years ago

Mom didn't feel too well this morning, so after breakfast, she went to lie down. Then her lunch came (Meals on Wheels), so she went out to eat. She did really well, eating almost every bit of it. I had lunch then, too, and when we were both done, she sent back into the bedroom and I went into mine. I heard something fall - it sounded like her walker with her oxygen tank in it. I could see it on the floor and was just getting up to go get it for her when she called out for me to come in to help her. I got in there and SHE was on the floor, too. She had reached for something and the walker went out from under her and she followed it down. shocked

Mom's 91, has had emphysema for almost 20 years, and is blind because of macular degeneration. So, a fall for her is a bit more than an inconvenience. I wanted to pick her up the way I was taught to pull people into our raft when we were white water rafting - under the arm pits and pull with your body. She wouldn't let me do anything to help get her up. She kept saying, just let me get settled....just let me get settled. So, I called next door, thinking someone would be home there, but there was no answer. Finally, I called the local police department to see if someone could come help get her up. The call went through to the 911 center even though I hadn't called 911. They sent an officer AND the ambulance. Well, the officer got her up and she was in the bed sitting when he asked if he should cancel the ambulance - just as he said that, the EMTs walked around the back of the house.

I decided they should check her just to be safe. When they did, she began to panic, telling me she needed her nebulizer, to hurry she needed her nebulizer. The more she panicked, the more she couldn't breathe, and the more she couldn't breathe, the more she panicked. We got her into her wheelchair and out to the kitchen. I had her nebulizer ready when the second EMT came back in from getting their med packs. They checked her blood oxygen and found it was way low, in the 70s when it should be in the 90s. sad

They said they thought she should go to the hospital just to be safe, but none of us expected her to have to stay. The paramedics met them at the firehouse and rode with them while I went ahead to meet them at the hospital.

Well, they xrayed her lungs, heart, hips and legs and found pneumonia in her lungs even though she hadn't complained of shortness of breath before falling. She just didn't feel well. A doctor came in, one we hadn't seen before and kept repeating his name to her and she wasn't getting it, even though he was on her "good ear". Finally, he took off his name tag and stuck it in front of her face and said, "here, this is my name." I couldn't believe it! I looked at him and said, "um...she's blind." Mom didn't miss a beat, "Yes, I have macular degeneration and can't read anything at all any more." This man didn't even look ashamed or apologetic! I will be saying something to someone once I know more about where. glare

I ended up leaving her in the ER after being there 6 hours. I had the worst headache and couldn't stand it any more. I knew she'd be OK and which floor she was going to (not the room yet, though) and came home to take some Advil. I've also let everyone know who needed to know that she's admitted and why.

But, other than your prayers and good thoughts for my mother, I have this question. Or these questions. Have you ever gone to the ER for yourself or someone else and been admitted for something entirely different than you went in for? And, have you ever had someone behave like that doctor did to anyone, let alone someone so elderly and disabled? How did you handle it?

 

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1. misstxx (40)   ranked 294 out of 898 in my mother   4 years ago

First of all, thank goodness you were with her in the house! Of course thoughts and prayers are being sent out you guys' way. To answer your question about the way your mother was treated by that doctor, that is inexcusable. Was it not on her chart that she is suffering from macular degeneration? If so, perhaps he needs to pay more closely to his patient...can you imagine if it had been something else and he gave medication for something that caused a bad reaction or worse? I would definitely lodge a complaint with the hospital administrator - that should not be tolerated.


myLot reputation of 94/100. jerzgirl (3245)   ranked 5 out of 898 in my mother  4 years ago

I'm sure her blindness was in her chart, but I think this guy was Mr I'm-In-Charge and didn't feel the need. Who knows. I've never run into one there like him before. It was a first because their staff is usually extremely patient conscious. It's their record keeping that is horrible. As many times as Mom has been there over the past year and I've been with her telling them I'm her emergency contact, they had my phone number from EIGHT YEARS AGO on file - I've given them my current number many many times, but somehow, that number found its way into the records again, just like a year ago, they claimed she didn't have any secondary insurance even though she'd had that SAME insurance since the 50s!! Someone had deleted the information from her records. I had to fight with them over it because they wouldn't believe me - until the office worker snobbily asked me, "Has she been in this hospital before?" WITCH!! I made her pull Mom's past files where they had indeed billed that same insurance they were claiming she didn't have and told them that they'd better stop deleting information from her records! Their billing office is the worst I've dealt with. But, their medical treatment is among the best.

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2. myLot reputation of 99/100. lilaclady (22732)   ranked 118 out of 898 in my mother   4 years ago

Oh that is awful, pneumonia is not a good thing for the elderly to get, but hopefully the hospital will be able to look after your mum and hopefully things will be ok for her, oh i am throwing a white to your dear mum....


myLot reputation of 94/100. jerzgirl (3245)   ranked 5 out of 898 in my mother  4 years ago

I just spoke with her this morning and she's feeling ever so much better than she was yesterday. She loves the fussing and attention she gets in the hospital. It's funny - every time we go to the ER with her, the first thing she wants is a cup of black coffee. It hasn't failed - she just CRAVES a cup of black coffee while she's in the ER. I have no idea why because hospital coffee isn't known for its quality!

May I ask what "a white" is? I appreciate it because I know it's a good thing, but it's a term or a phrase I'm not familiar with. But, thank you!


myLot reputation of 99/100. lilaclady (22732)   ranked 118 out of 898 in my mother  4 years ago

Oh I should have saif white light, I believe we all have spiritual guardians and i have read a few books on this sort of thing and they of mention putting a white light arouns someone for protection, I remember readin how one person whenever she sees an ambulance go past she always sends a white light to surround the person for protection... much the same as I guess the white light that people see when they have passed away and have been brought back...its all a spiritual thing... I am glad your mum is feeling better...


myLot reputation of 94/100. jerzgirl (3245)   ranked 5 out of 898 in my mother  4 years ago

Thank you again. Mom came home this past Tuesday night. She's weaker and more tired than in past admissions, but she sounds and looks a lot better!

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3. myLot reputation of 97/100. tyc415 (4490)   ranked 56 out of 898 in my mother   4 years ago

So sorry to hear about your mother and so thankful that she was not hurt but then again it seems like it was a blessing that this happened since they found the pneumonia. Prayers go out to her, you and all the family. I have never known of anyone that I can think of who has gone for one thing and ended up them finding something else or a different reason to stay. As far as horrible care, it was a nurse for me after I had my son. I laid in bed with my son laying next to me and started bleeding really bad and called for the nurse, she came and poked her head in the door and I told her and she left. I waited and waited and then I called my mother and told her, she in turn called my husband who was at work and he come up there and I was still laying there like that and still had the baby with me. He got them to moving real fast and then he went and made a complaint and got that nurse kicked off of that floor. Come to find out some of the placenta had been left in me, same thing happened to my mother after I was born and she almost died, almost bled to death. I for sure would report that doctor.
Please keep us informed.


myLot reputation of 94/100. jerzgirl (3245)   ranked 5 out of 898 in my mother  4 years ago

I always wondered where the nurse went who had attended me after my daughter's birth - I think I now know!!! What a witch she was!! I had to pee, but she said I only THOUGHT I had to pee, that I couldn't possibly know that I had to pee because of the anesthesia. I begged her to let me go to the bathroom and she refused. I asked for a bedpan, and she refused, saying I didn't know what I was talking about, that I didn't have to pee because I couldn't feel anything to know that. Then, as she was leaving the room, she said, "And don't you dare get out of that bed to try to go to the bathroom! You're too big for me to pick up off the floor if you fall!!" I just began to cry, lying there, having to pee so bad it hurt. I finally got up anyway and leaned against the wall and inched my way to the bathroom. Two other nurses came in and ran over to me to see what the matter was and I told them about the nurse and that I had to go. They even measured what came out of me and there was almost a full 32 ounces that I provided for them. As they were taking me back to the bed, the old biddy walked in and immediately began to yell about me being out of bed. The second nurse of the two who came in grabbed her and pushed her out the door, then brought her back in and made her see that I had indeed had to pee and told her to get out. I never saw the witch again - I'm fairly sure she was removed from duty. Maybe you got her next - and I'm very sorry!!

But, I just spoke to Mom this morning and she is doing much better. They didn't tell her the xray results yet (or she didn't hear them since she's also almost deaf), so I'll learn more when I go up today.


myLot reputation of 94/100. jerzgirl (3245)   ranked 5 out of 898 in my mother  4 years ago

As you probably know, Mom came home Tuesday night. Thanks for the moral support!!

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4. myLot reputation of 98/100. pyewacket (12221)   ranked 64 out of 898 in my mother   4 years ago

Holy moly you've been through a ringer today! When the paramedic was checking your mom did he listen to her lungs with the stethoscope...often one can "hear" pneumonia..that's what happened one time with my mom when I called 911 as I knew she wasn't feeling well..so when the paramedic listened to her lungs he said he could hear her lungs "crackle"...meaning pneumonia.
Oh boy though I can relate though...It was on a June evening in 2005. My mother was taking a bath say around 11:00 p.m. On and off I'd check in on her while she bathe as she had a habit of falling asleep while taking a bath. Okay...she's fine...but now she's trying to get out of the tub and had a problem....she just couldn't get out...I tried doing the same type thing...grasp my mother under her armpits and tried to pull her up--no deal...she was a thin thing, not heavyweight but I for the life of me I couldn't manage to pull her up...it was trying to lift dead weight.
So knowing my one neighbor was a night owl I decided to get her to try and help me....so leave the apt and go to the neighbor's. I had to wait a few minutes for her to get dressed...okay we both come back into the apt, then bathroom...my mother was passed out cold....I kept calling her name..nothing...slapped her a bit on her face...nothing..okay..call 911
They came over in relatively quick time..not only paramedics but cops too and even THEY had a problem getting her out..LOL..finally they did and she was wrapped up in a robe and was able to walk and settled on a nearby chair in the hallway...
The ambulance took me, my neighbor and my mother to the ER......we all were there for about 8 or 9 hours before she was admitted to a room. I think the reason she had passed out was she may have had a mini-stroke...Okay now docs are filling out forms in her room asking me a zillion questions...I pointed out to them that for a long time my mother had been doing a bulimic thing....and oh, yes, I tried to get this noticed by her doctors, social worker and psychiatrist, but since she never signed a proxy even when I did try to contact everyone, including the Executive Director of the same hospital (she was an outpatient) they ignored me...All I got back was the reply..."Due to the Hipaa Privacy Laws we may not discuss your mother's clinical care. Thank you for sharing your concerns with us." Big fricking deal.
Anyway...so now my mother's in the hospital for quite awhile, over a week..had a whole bunch of tests done...including a camera going down her throat..apparently the docs WERE listening to me and wanted to discover if my mother's bulimic behavior was purely psychological or medical...she was even doing her bulimic thing while AT the hospital. Turned out she had a tumor in her esophagus.
So yes, she initially went in for one thing and was discovered she had something else....
As far as a doctor behaving like a jerk....FINALLY my mother consented to sign a proxy (would turn out to be shortly before she died)---You better believe I went with her to her putz psychiatrist to meet up with the jerk...she had been going to him for five friggin years and no improvement whatsoever and because prior she hadn't signed that proxy I couldn't be involved. I'm trying to convey to him all my mother's emotional problems...crap I should know...I lived with her...including depression. You know what the a-hole says? "Well you're mother doesn't look very depressed to me." She's sitting there right next to me with a big smiley grin on her face...you mean to tell me he based his psycho-analytical evaluation that my mother wasn't depressed cause she's frickin smiling? Give me a break!angry

Anyway...sending prayers to your mom that she gets better...is she on a respirator?


myLot reputation of 94/100. jerzgirl (3245)   ranked 5 out of 898 in my mother  4 years ago

I don't konw what the paramedics heard when they listened to her lungs, but the EMT didn't hear anything when he listened. The ambulance met the paramedics at the firehouse and then continued on to the hospital. The xray showed the pneumonia. She'd had some mild congestion this last week, but it wasn't consistent - like one day she coughed up phlegm and that was about it.

I know what you mean about dead weight, though. When Mom collapsed last year when they made me give her insulin at home against my wishes (I told them she didn't need it at home), she was just limp, but semi-conscious. She couldn't help us help her. She had just come home from 8 days in the hospital and didn't want to go back. But, she ended up going back for another 15 because the fall triggered cellulitis in her legs and she had hit the wall on her way down bruising her ribs making it difficult to cough up the phlegm. She's not fallen since (which is good at her age - so many do fall). And, those HIPAA laws are good - or at least intended to be, but when you're right there with her, they ARE allowed to tell you things unless she says in front of them NO. Mom's doctors tell me whatever I need to know because they know she is letting me in on it just being there with her. She refuses to give me POA, instead preferring to have my cousin be POA, but I have no problem signing for her or having them talk to me because she has verbally expressed that I can know. I can't see why any doctor would refuse to tell someone while they're standing right next to the patient who hasn't refused to allow them to tell.


myLot reputation of 98/100. pyewacket (12221)   ranked 64 out of 898 in my mother  4 years ago

It might be different though with any kind of Highly Confidential Information as in psychiatric cases...technically speaking information can be discussed about medical issues between a doctor and a third party, but not psychiatric. All I know I was ignored either way...think the jerks just plain didn't understand the Hipaa Laws themselves..believe me I got very well acquainted with those darn laws..and even when I was explaining the laws to THEM...they ignored me


myLot reputation of 94/100. jerzgirl (3245)   ranked 5 out of 898 in my mother  4 years ago

That may be, Pye. My son spent several weeks in a psych ward when he was 8 because he kept talking about killing himself. But, being the custodial parent, I had no issues (and HIPAA wasn't law yet). I'm glad I haven't had to deal with it since, other than my own personal foibles. Mom's home, though, and halleluyah. We just got done dinner. She began craving dried beef gravy Sunday and didn't get any until Thursday. But, she sure enjoyed it! She's funny - she craves coffee in the ER and will get a craving just before she's discharged. You'd think she was pregnant!!! lol whistle

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5. myLot reputation of 99/100. ElicBxn (24681)   4 years ago

If you read my post yesterday, you will know I went to the hospital for a head ache and was admitted for my gall bladder.


myLot reputation of 94/100. jerzgirl (3245)   ranked 5 out of 898 in my mother  4 years ago

Hi Elic - I admit I only saw part of it because I had so much going on. It was kind of a busy day. But, yes - that's what I meant. It's like you think it's this, but it turns out to be that.

We had a lady in town who was taken to the hospital with what appeared to be appendicitis. She was in her late 40s or early 50s, I guess, her kids were all older than me and were graduated from HS. They xrayed her to see what the problem was and found not appendicitis, but a full-term baby trying to get out!! SHE WAS IN LABOR!!! She didn't even know she was pregnant!!! Now, THAT'S a surprise admission to the hospital!!!


myLot reputation of 99/100. ElicBxn (24681)  4 years ago

I've been watching discovery health and they did a show with several women who didn't know they were pregnant having kids - so I can believe it.

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6. myLot reputation of 95/100. plunketear (1294)   4 years ago

Thoughts and prayers for sure jg :)
It is more scary when you are blind. I wish she had (since she is so with it) told the arrogant bugger to cool his jets. Somebody shudda.
Ok, so every body has a bad day, even doctors, but they are held to a higher level of professionalism (need I say financially reimbursed to a higher level also?) so they need to swallow 'their bad day' and realise this poor dear woman was having a worse day than maybe he was. doh Arsehole..

And yes, I have run into this low level of treatment by nurses. Fortunately not by a doctor, yet. And I'd have a headache too just holding back from wanting to belt the bugger. (and I'm not a hitter) But in that case i'd be damn stressed and maybe not thinking as rational as he mighta liked....

91...that's a grand age...I'll bet there is still tons to learn from her...
i hope they can stay on top of the pneumonia, it is not good when you are older. Thankgoodness she didn't bust a hip.
All the best, virtual hug for ya both wink


myLot reputation of 94/100. jerzgirl (3245)   ranked 5 out of 898 in my mother  4 years ago

Thank you, plunket! This is her third bout of pneumonia in the past couple years. Apparently, a very easy thing to get with emphysema. But, other than her feeling generally lousy, there were no other symptoms. So, I guess it was good she fell (if that's a good thing) to force her to be checked out. She's got her wits about her for the most part and could tell you loads about the past. How her grandfather refused to use a car and drove a horse and buggy until he was killed by a car in 1929, how the Depression didn't affect them too much because they were already poor itinerate farmers until he passed away leaving the farm to my grandmother (no more renting farms and moving from town to town), going to a one-room school house, loads of things she could tell.


myLot reputation of 94/100. jerzgirl (3245)   ranked 5 out of 898 in my mother  4 years ago

Now that she's home, she's telling people, "no one told me I had pneumonia (she probably didn't hear them), but they told my daughter and I heard the nurses talking about it, but I never knew." Yet, again, that wasn't why she went in. But, it's good that she did because they found it early on. Thank you for the hug. I have shared it with her!

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7. myLot reputation of 94/100. Goodie123 (7548)   4 years ago

I will keep your Mum in my thoughts Jerzgirl.
I must say that doctor was really rude, I have been taken to the ER many times in the last few years,
And have never come across a doctor like that one.
The ambulance people and the doctors were fantastic, I could not have asked for better.


myLot reputation of 94/100. jerzgirl (3245)   ranked 5 out of 898 in my mother  4 years ago

Yeah, I don't know what the hell that bonehead was thinking - even the nurse looked at him in disbelief. But, I won't be forgetting his name any time soon since me was so emphatic about her getting it right.


myLot reputation of 94/100. jerzgirl (3245)   ranked 5 out of 898 in my mother  4 years ago

Thanks again, Goodie. Mom's home now, since Tuesday night. A bit weaker and a lot tired, but in many ways better than before. She kept saying she just didn't feel "right". Hopefully, now she does.

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8. myLot reputation of 95/100. Hatley (48776)   ranked 128 out of 898 in my mother   4 years ago

hi yes I went to the er a year ago this past January with what my doctor thought was a bleeding ulcer but they cleaned me up from my horrible diarrhea and blood and admitted me for bleeding diverticulitis. i was in the hospital for five days and blood tests every four hours,and four units of blood. I have near had a doctor treat me like that doctor treated your mom, that was
'unforgiveable for him to be so callous.In fact I had five different doctors all treating different ailments,one for stomach, one for ulcers, one for gastro intestianal and one for diverticulitis, wow. I had every test imaginable including the dreaded barium enema, that was a real mess. ugh. glad i am over that. Now I just will not eat black berries, nuts, popcorn.


myLot reputation of 94/100. jerzgirl (3245)   ranked 5 out of 898 in my mother  4 years ago

OWIE, Hatley!!! And, I thought my Irritable Bowel was bad!!! OWIE!! I had to limit certain foods for quite a while and I still have trigger foods during stressful periods, but I think mine is a cakewalk compared to that!!! DANG!! And, callous is a good word - just short of arrogant, but not much short of it.


myLot reputation of 94/100. jerzgirl (3245)   ranked 5 out of 898 in my mother  4 years ago

Just to follow up - Mom is home and is doing well, considering. Her intake nurse for home care said she could hear better air flow in her lungs than people half her age, which is amazing because it's been almost 20 years since she was diagnosed with emphysema. She's more weak than before and says she is just sleepy sleepy, but otherwise, she looks much much better than she didn.

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9. myLot reputation of 99/100. Opal26 (14496)   ranked 141 out of 898 in my mother   4 years ago

Hi Jerz, Yes I have just recently had an incident in a
hospital ER that made me quite upset and I will also be
writing a letter to let the hospital know how it was
handled. I am very sorry about your mom. I hope she wil
be ok. It is best that she is in the hospital. Pneumonia
is better cared for there. I went to the hospital in July
for a swelling in my face. I had been having problems with
my teeth and had a dentist appointment for that day. I
went to the ER because I was in pain and the swelling in
my face just didn't seem right. The doctor looked at me
and told me she couldn't help me to leave the ER and go
to the dentist. She was rude and barely even looked in my
mouth, which I could hardly open from the pain. I went to
the dentist who gave me an antibiotic. Within a few hours
the swelling got worse. Thinking I had a reaction from the
antibiotic I waited until the next morning. When I got
up and looked in the mirror I looked like the elephant
woman. My whole face had swelled and looked distorted and I
was in unbelievable pain. I then called a cab and took
myself to the ER at another hospital where I was immediately
admitted and told that the infection had spread from my
face to my head, neck, lymph nodes, blood and I had almost
died. I spent a week in the hospital in serious condition!
A very scary experience. I don't blame the dentist because
he didn't realize how bad the abcess was, but I do blame
the ER doctor at the other hospital and I am going to
make sure that the hospital knows about what she did to me.


myLot reputation of 94/100. jerzgirl (3245)   ranked 5 out of 898 in my mother  4 years ago

Holy moly! They've really opened themselves up for a parcel of problems, haven't they? What a lawsuit they could have on their hands, depending on the person they did that to!! And, you could have lost everything because of their refusal to even look at you!!

She was feeling quite a bit better this morning when I spoke with her - and telling me how delicious the lasagna she had for dinner was! LOL


myLot reputation of 94/100. jerzgirl (3245)   ranked 5 out of 898 in my mother  4 years ago

Well, Mom's home now - and apparently Tuesday is lasagna day - she had it again before I picked her up. She's much better than she was, although she's weaker than I've seen her before. She does seem stronger today than the day after she got home, so it might just be a renewal thing and not the disease itself taking its toll. Only time will tell. Thanks for your support!!

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10. myLot reputation of 90/100. razor123 (907)   4 years ago

Hey really sorry to hear what happened to you mother. Luckily you were there at home when this thing happened. I know when old people fall down its a more serious things because as you get older your bones begin to get brittle and pain more. Also sad to hear that your mom is suffering from breathing problems and suffering from pneumonia.

Hope she gets well soon and everything is back to normal. We'll pray that she recovers swiftly and is fit and fine. Please take care of your self and specially of your mother as she needs you the most now.


myLot reputation of 94/100. jerzgirl (3245)   ranked 5 out of 898 in my mother  4 years ago

Thank you, Razor. She was feeling tons better this morning when I called. I still have to go up, but I wanted to call to be sure things were going smoothly. She told me how good her dinner was when she got it (lasagna), but that she hadn't had breakfast yet. Told me what she needed me to bring with me when I come, etc. Lots to do today. And thanks especially for the prayers.


myLot reputation of 94/100. jerzgirl (3245)   ranked 5 out of 898 in my mother  4 years ago

Mom came home Tuesday night and is better than she was - maybe a bit weaker, but sounding better. Today she's stronger than she was since coming home, it seems. She even did the dinner dishes whereas last night she went to bed shortly after dinner. No problem. Better she get the rest she needs than wear herself out.

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