Thinking of The Recent Devastation Of Hurrican Ike In Texas

@pyewacket (43903)
United States
September 25, 2008 8:15pm CST
I think a lot of us have seen the devastation that was caused by Hurricane Ike in Galveston, Texas. Homes were flattened to nothing, or literally washed out to sea....anchored boats are now on land, etc, etc. But a few images come to my mind. Many of the homes were built smack up on the shoreline....ON STILTS...uh is there something wrong with this picture? The coastal area of Texas isn't the only place to have practiced building homes on or near shorelines on stilts as they have them in California as well, especially places like Malibu. So why yes I feel sorry that people lost their homes or do lose their homes to any natural disaster...my question is...what person in their right mind buys a home built on stilts near a shoreline? ...especially an area that is known to have natural disasters? Is this stupid planning or what? If I were to have a home...I'll take one on good solid, firm land thank you very much. Yes, maybe that ocean view might be a spectacular one, but would YOU buy a home on stilts if you knew any kind of natural disasters could come at any time...whether hurricanes, earthquakes, etc?
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@4mymak (1793)
• Malaysia
26 Sep 08
"que sera sera.. whatever will be, will be... the future's not ours to see.. que sera sera"... dunno why suddenly that sang just 'popped' into my ears... (i hope i spelled the whole thing correctly.. ) dont mean to sound mean.. but maybe the same song was playing in their ears when they decided to buy and move in those houses ??... me think the same way as you... and me really fear the sea.. me wont buy house to near the sea.. on the shoreline.. especially after watching 'Deep Impact'.. 'Armageddon'... and after the Christmas Tsunami which hit Asia few years back..
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
26 Sep 08
I don't have a fear of the sea, but I just think one needs to be very practical and not live in a home on stilts like that....the homes in Calif for instance are usually the million dollar types...for a few million dollars I would want a home that was safe and secure
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@ElicBxn (64169)
• United States
26 Sep 08
Not me. I live in a house on a slab, away from large bodies of water in an area that I have never felt an earthquake in 53 years of living here. The most dangerous thing that I think might happen here - since I do live in Texas - is a torando.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
26 Sep 08
I sometimes think I'm lucky to live in an apartment building...uh, maybe and on the second floor pretty high up...if there was ever flooding unless it was REALLY enormous I don't think I'd be affected...can't say the same for the first floor tenants though. AH, so you have to worry about tornadoes? Gee, if it's not one thing its another
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@ElicBxn (64169)
• United States
26 Sep 08
I can't say that I worry over much. You don't see storm cellars around Austin like you do up in OKC or in other parts of the plains. I grant that we've had them, and have even lived (tho not recently) within a couple of miles of them doing some roof damage. I have a friend who's folks lost all the stones on their roof to a storm that also killed a large number of trees in her neighborhood. I don't quite understand the thinking of these roofs with stones, but there you are, they are generally white stones between the size of a shooter marble and a couple of inches. when they got the stones to restone their roof they got extra and made parking in the front yard because they had room for 2 cars in the driveway and 4 cars in the family - and then visitors. I have seen up to 8 cars in that yard, 4 on the rocks, 1 on the other side of the driveway and 3 (including mine) in the driveway.) Mine, being 3rd was JUST barely out of the street!
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
26 Sep 08
There was actually a tornado that hit the Brooklyn section of NYC earlier this year...and I'm in the Queens section and we felt it here...gusts of wind I never saw in my life and I've lived here all my life. Can you imagine the devastation though that would occur if a tornado hit smack dab in the middle of Manhattan? Sheesh
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@sedel1027 (17846)
• Cupertino, California
26 Sep 08
Were all of those houses their main homes? Often houses are put on stilts after a bad flood (usually several feet above the flood mark) to prevent further damage. I have a feeling that a decent amount of those homes are not the main house either. For example, there are some folks who live in Louisiana is houses such as that. They are usually fishermen who have to be near to where they work (keep in mind most fishermen are far from rich). However, quite a few folks do not live on the shore full time, they have fishing and hunting and vacation "camps" that are weekend retreats.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
29 Sep 08
I have no idea if those were their main homes or not...I would imagine a lot of people in the Galveston area are in the fishing trade and need to live there....as far as homes say in Malibu, I would imagine those homes are "luxury" vacation homes for the rich and famous
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@GardenGerty (169449)
• United States
26 Sep 08
There are lots of coastal areas where this is the practice, and lots of multimillion dollar homes on mudslide prone hillsides in California. We tend to think we deserve anything we can afford, even when it flies in the face of good sense. Around here, you have to buy special insurance if you insist on building in a flood plane. I guess they do too, but who would insure a house in that situation?
@ElicBxn (64169)
• United States
26 Sep 08
My sister lived in OKC for about 4 years. After she'd been there a while she bought a house. the first place she lived didn't have a storm cellar - the second did and she said that she wasn't buying one without it (and didn't.) She thought moving to Ft Worth would get her out of tornado alley - but she discovered that she was still in the fringes of it. They dig even fewer cellars there! Austin's base rock is so shallow, we pretty much don't have very many cellars/basements at all here - I pretty much doubt I could dig 3 feet before I hit bedrock - and that's at the FRONT of the yard - I have a ridge of bedrock across the top of the back of my yard. I lived in one house where I know the bedrock was only about 18 inches down (my brother and I dug to it!) And while there was probably 6 feet at the other house - it would've flooded everytime the creek over flowed! At the first house you could tell where the soil was a little deeper - there were native trees!
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
29 Sep 08
was watching some program the other night where nearly a whole small town in Calif was wiped out since there was a major landslide of homes built on hillsides....and they were all expensive homes to boot..I sometimes wonder if "rich" folks think they are immune to disasters..LOL Elic...I wonder if since it sounds like there is so much bedrock in your area if that could make it prone to earthquakes???
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@Rosekitty (19368)
• San Marcos, Texas
26 Sep 08
People here in Texas are so Hot they want to live in the water, so why not build in on stilts so you can be in it all year round..lol.. I know what you mean but not just here in Texas or Calif. but anywhere along the water border areas..you'd think people would use their brains..it can happen..it will happen... and they are the first to cry for help.I've heard it all..i live in Texas...
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
26 Sep 08
Were you affected in anyway by any of the hurricanes? Seems Texas area was pelted a lot by them
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@Rosekitty (19368)
• San Marcos, Texas
26 Sep 08
Not me personally, but my Oldest is a Fireman and spent all weekend rescuing people that stupidly didn't evacuate..he put out gas fires too...he finally got sleep Monday morn..from Friday night previous..so i'm not happy about Texans right now for that reason..to think my Son may have lost his life over some idiot..
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@Opal26 (17679)
• United States
26 Sep 08
Hey pye! I agree with you! There's no way I would ever buy a home that is built near a shoreline and is up on stilts! I never quite understood this to begin with. Don't these people question the fact that their home is on sticks? Wouldn't they feel much more secure with a home that is planted on firm flat land? I know I sure would! I also wouldn't want to be that close to a shoreline or anywhere near a body of water. Sure I love a nice scenic view, but I'm not that nuts! With all the natural disasters and knowing that you live in a place where they do happen why take unnecessary risks like buying a house on sticks near a body of water and then being surprised when a natural disaster hits and you lose your home on sticks! I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be mean, it's just that I can't help being sarcastic because it just seems like these people should have known better and shouldn't be acting so surprised that these things happened!
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
29 Sep 08
In my hunts around looking at luxury homes (I love to daydream..LOL) I've seen plenty of homes that have fantastic ocean views but are built quite a bit inland...thinking of some of the homes I've seen in Northern California...now that I wouldn't mind...but no way to be that close to the shoreline Yup....people have a whacked out sense of judgment....not any better than people purposely moving into a home say smack dab on the San Andreas fault in Calif...like huh?
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@stephcjh (38473)
• United States
26 Sep 08
I feel so sorry for those people too. We got the hurricane forced winds here in Indiana and it caused alot of damage and power outages here. I would be so afraid to live in a home on stilts in that area.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
26 Sep 08
A few weeks ago we got the remnants of one of the hurricanes too...all the way here in the NY area! So a lot of wind and rain
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• United States
27 Sep 08
if they were smart enough to keep sinking the poles until it hit some kind of bedrock,it might be ok..as far as shifting..but that's no guarantee it won't wreck everything above the platform. but yea,that's pretty braindead.i wouldn't risk money on it.
• United States
4 Oct 08
we have a house here on a cliff that's been knocked off 3 times,rebuilt three times. man,i'd hate to see their insurance bill-if they can get insurance,that is
@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
29 Sep 08
I think the most lame brain ideas are the ones where the home are overhanging cliffs...like they have in Calif..okay might not be flooded out, but just one big earthquake and it's bye bye house
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• United States
26 Sep 08
You bring up a good question. You can go further why live where there is tornadoes or earth quakes? Why live where may be a forest fire? In Malibu the natural disasters are far and few between. It seems like there has been more in recent years with all the fires and then the floods and land slides that go alone with it. But the view is spectacular, to have a piece of beach of your own would be wonderful. Now that I said that would I buy a home on stilts, if I had enough money I probably would. I would have it for a vacation home. Now would I live in Texas where the heat is bad with the humidity. NO WAY. Now if the house was on stilts out someplace by a lake that did not have high humidity I think I would chance it. I feel we have to continue to live and be prepared for the worst but not live by the fear. Since I do not have the money for a house on stilts it is just a dream.
@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
29 Sep 08
Actually one can have a great ocean view but still be on firm ground and not a home on stilts...forget exactly where..somewhere in Northern Calif, but I was hunting around and looking at really gorgeous homes there...the luxury type...driving me nuts that I can't remember the name of the area...one of those "exclusive" spots in Northern Calif...but the view was spectacular of the ocean and yet the home was built inland quite a bit in a rather forested area....would you know the area I'm talking about???
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• United States
29 Sep 08
I am thinking of somewhere near Big Sir or up around Fort Berg.
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• United States
26 Sep 08
I live near the Mississippi river and there are a number of houses on stilts here. The reason they are on stilts is to prevent flooding when the river rises from rain or whatever. That might be the same reason that the houses are on the shoreline there are on stilts, but I don't know that for a fact, I am only guessing. As for the other, natural disasters such as hurricanes and such...I have no answer for that. I don't think I would want to live near the shoreline in any sort of house if it was an area in danger of hurricanes.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
26 Sep 08
Yes I could see how that might be practical...but not the types of homes like in California...some are situated where part of the home is literally overhanging a cliff and on stilts...yikes..one good earthquake and kaboom the home would tumble down
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@sconibear (8016)
• United States
26 Sep 08
i used to live in the midwest, so i've seen my share of severe weather......thunder storms, tornados, snow and ice. but now i live in the weather vacuum of Las Vegas.......out here a light drizzle is considered severe weather. the only weather systems we get are HOT or COLD. i think i would break my neck if i tried to walk on stilts........definitely don't want my house built on them.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
26 Sep 08
Yes the flooding they had in the mid-west section was horrible as well. I could never live in the las vegas area...HATE hot weather..LOL
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@mentalward (14690)
• United States
26 Sep 08
I think they build them that way because of flooding. It puts the house up high enough to not be flooded out by the majority of the floods or high storm waves. Nothing prevents damage when a strong hurricane comes along, though. I'm like you: give me solid, firm ground underneath and NOT on the shoreline! If I want to look at the sea, I'll drive there. My car can move a lot faster than my house can to get out of harm's way! Earthquake-prone areas are another place you won't find me living! I know that they are possible practically everywhere, but when there are several earthquakes in an area in recent history, nope, I'll stay away from there! I wouldn't even want to VISIT those areas! If I lived in Kansas, I'd move... quickly! At least before a tornado moved me! Oklahoma and Texas are two other places that I'd rather not live in because of tornados. We've had a few tornado warnings here where I live in Virginia but, knock on wood, I've never seen one. There was one (F-2) that came through the town I live outside of and there was one (an F-4) that ripped apart an entire town in Maryland where I used to live, but these things are rare in this part of the country. No earthquakes here and only a bit of rain and wind with minor damage and flooding from hurricanes that come up the east coast. I live on a mountain. Not the tippy top of a mountain, but on good solid rock! I like it and I'm not moving!
@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
29 Sep 08
LOL--I would love to go to Virginia....my ancestors settled near the Harper's Ferry area in Loudoun County and even had a town named after them...I saw where you're from and all that area has a lot of history especially the "War" Well even though one likes to think they are nice and safe here in the NYC area where I am...last year a tornado actually DID touch down in the Brooklyn area (I'm in the Queens area) and you could feel the winds all the way here....then about twenty years ago we had an earthquake...YIKES--I remember it too as it happened around 3 in the morning and woke us all up from the shaking...and it wasn't even a strong one either
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@mentalward (14690)
• United States
29 Sep 08
I remember that earthquake! It woke ME up! Actually, I didn't know why I woke up at that time, so I went back to sleep. Later that day, I learned that there was an earthquake that originated in New York and was actually 'felt' (recorded) all the way down to Washington, D.C., at least that's what the news dudes were saying. I didn't hear any neighbors talking about it and they told me it was probably just a coincidence that I woke up at that moment (it was actually around 4:00 a.m. when it reached Maryland; where I lived then). I don't think it was a coincidence; maybe I'm just extremely sensitive to those types of things. Yeah, these things can happen anywhere. I just like living where they are very infrequent! LOL
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26 Sep 08
Hi pye, It is so sad to see those beautiful houses are nothing but rubbles now and its a horrible site to see I really feel for all those people. I always thought that the rich and famous people that lives in those houses that are buil on the shoreline. They must know that there must be risk of natural in the area as it is known for it. I just don't understand it, maybe for insurence perpuses I just don't know, but I wouldn't buy a house there. Tamara
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
26 Sep 08
They were saying that the vast majority of people didn't have flood insurance...Yes I tend to think its the rich folk who live on the shoreline, especially out in Calif--they have a lot of mansion type places there that cost millions...still would never want to risk living in a home built on stilts
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• United States
26 Sep 08
A lot of the houses on stilts are still there. If they were tall enough. The ones that were lower to the ground are the houses that are gone. The surge wiped out the houses not the wind or flooding. So the houses built up on high stilts are still there. I am in the Houston area so I have seen a lot of the neighborhoods from helicopter just watching the local news. The seawall did its job so a lot of the damage the news is showing is on the side that doesn't have the sea wall. Also like all media, they want to show the bad part and they don't really bother showing all the houses that are still there b/c that obviously wouldn't be fun to look at.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
29 Sep 08
Yes the wonderful media just loves to report all the negative sides of the news don't they? Imagine if the news suddenly turned around and only reported "happy" positive events...they be out of jobs..LOL I would still imagine though homes in general just aren't stable enough to begin with though....I'm thinking more in particular homes built on stilts in the Calif area....with their lovely earthquakes
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• United States
29 Sep 08
When being built near water, the water actually moves around the stilts and no damage is caused to the stilts. (Notice the stilts were still standing). The water was higher than the stilts so then they lost their homes. They would have lost there home even if it was built on a slab on the ground. It was the weight of the water hitting the house that did it. Now as far as California and building in the mountains I have no clue about that. I guess there really wouldn't be any other way to build on the edge of a mountain. Personally I couldn't live like that. I would be too scared. I am sure the stilts probably have some kind of "shocks" that keep the house from just falling off during an earth quake.
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@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
26 Sep 08
I sure would NOT! They even have them on rivers banks in Tenn. and when thre river flows over they are nearly under water and we have seen house trailers floating down the river!
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@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
29 Sep 08
there could be around the Bayou contry as they have the levees up and down the Miss River and I really didnt see any on stiltds there. But then I have only been in New Orleans to Lake CHarles in the south of La. and Monroe and Benson it the north
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
29 Sep 08
If I'm not mistaken people have a lot of homes on stilts in the Louisiana area as well....don't they?
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@kbourgerie (8780)
• United States
27 Sep 08
I don't know much about Texas, but where I am from in northern California there is a town which is notorious for flooding during the winter months. The housing there is ridiculously cheap and easy to rent if your credit is not perfect. Many of the towns inhabitants opt to live there for those reasons and because it is such a beautiful coastal area. I think like many of us, they must think "it will never happen to me". Unfortunately, none of us walk on water. No pun intended.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
29 Sep 08
Yes, I think that is the rationale of most people who buy homes in such area...that it just won't happen to me...
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@littleowl (7157)
29 Sep 08
Personally I wouldn't feel safe in a house on stilts, give me firm inland anytime..but also if I lived in a state that was due to devastation by natural weather I would want to live more inland too...littleowl
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
29 Sep 08
I wouldn't feel safe in a home on stilts either since I would have the fear of it collapsing period
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@gemini_rose (16264)
26 Sep 08
Yes this has occured to me too once or twice. There is a certain attraction about living near to the sea I must admit, but when I think about it I always consider the down sides of it and it puts me off! I would definately stay further inland if I was going to move to the seaside, although that is rather unlikely due to the weather here in UK and the state of the economy!
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
29 Sep 08
Yes I can't help thinking one could still have a spectacular view of the ocean but more inland...and not have a home practically built on the shoreline itself...kind of dumb when you think of it
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@kenzie45230 (3560)
• United States
26 Sep 08
It was discovered long ago that this was the best way to build along the water. Normally when there is a bit of a big tide, it can come through and not affect the homes. I know they don't look strong, but they are. In normal winds and normal tide water. It wasn't Ike's winds that bothered most of the homes there, but the water. And it didn't matter if they were on stilts or not, they got ruined. Think of it this way. If the area flooded 3 or 4 feet - which would devistate most homes - it would not have affected the homes on stilts at all.
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
29 Sep 08
I still think it a bit of insanity though to build any homes so close to the shoreline...stilts or no stilts..just the principle of the thing I think
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@bunnybon7 (50970)
• Holiday, Florida
27 Sep 08
i wouldnt even if i didnt live where disasters are. im moving back to AZ as bad as i hate it. its better than florida!
@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
29 Sep 08
LOL--I never cared for Florida...used to go and visit there years and years ago...one time while I was there, there was a "mini" hurricane
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