Abortion ban returns to ballot in South Dakota  

You posed a point I did not consider. I agree that state sovereignty is a good idea as the Federal Government is getting more massive by the day.

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There are a few ultra's but I doubt that will ever pass in a country that isn't dominately Roman Catholic.

Anti-birth control measures can be sneaked into law by unclear language on the ballots and by paying off politicians to get them to vote a certain way. This method has been used numerous times to get a measure that sane people would avoid passed.
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It has also been used to get things that no sane taxpayer would want.

And sometimes they pay no attention to what the voter and tax payer wants. We voted against light rail, but they got it anyway and voted agaist toll roads, but we got them anyway.

Around here they also want to give money to business like Tiffanies to come to town - if business like that think setting up a store here is good, they don't need to be "bribed" to come to town.

Tiffany? Good grief, who can afford that...except the fat cat bankers that got us in a fiscal mess...

Really, tho we do have a few people that can afford to get stuff

What concerns me is the fact that the fancy stores will be taking president over that which is usable by the community as a whole. Libraries come to my mind, as do playgrounds.

That is so true. I voted against with prop, I'm SO tired of this city wasting our money on things we vote against!

You speak truth.
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It is so bad that I've got to hold my nose each time I put pen to ballot. I also vote by mail so I don't have to deal with that electronic voting whatsis.

I just try to vote for the lesser of the two weviels

Indeed. I don't like abortion either, but I fear many of the people within the 'pro life' movement.

There is much more to fear from the "pro-choice" then the "pro-life."

First its the unborn, then its the elderly, then its the disabled - anyone that can't speak for themselves. Pretty soon its the unwell, the overweight, the ugly and anyone else that has less power then they have....

To some extent I agree with you. Yet something must be done for the population that is straining this planet beyond capacity. We are looking at nine billion before the end of this century. Bush is promoting this problem's continuation by denying the poorest access to birth control and promoting 'abstinence education' amongst them. After they marry, and often before, it is unrealistic for them to maintain abstinence.
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Birth control must be taught everywhere so abortions and planetary death will not occur. Birth control must be both improved and made easily accessible. That is not happening in South Dakota as Planned Parenthood (a source of birth control for the poor more often than abortion) is ran out of town and pharmacists who disbelieve in birth control are now able to deny women such access.

It is not unrealistic, I've done it just fine for all my 50 odd years.

The problem of obtaining birth control is most acute amongst the ultra poor, those living on $3 a day or less.
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The situation has gotten so bad that a Congresswoman stepped in.
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Recently, pharmacists with personal objections to birth control have imposed their beliefs on customers by refusing to fill perfectly legal birth control prescriptions and, in some cases, also refusing to return the prescription slip to the customers.
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http://maloney.house.gov/...

Now, that is wrong. I can see not filling the scrip, but returning it could be considered criminal.

They are doing it. And not returning the script so the woman can't turn to another pharmacist to get her script filled. Lot of people I know have had that happen to them.

That could probably be considered stealing, as it doesn't belong to the pharmacy. Probably time to call the cops.

Tell me about it...then to add insult to injury by stating it was God's instruction to steal your slip. The fact it is mostly birth control meds that are being hit by this in some areas...

see, I have less of a problem with control as abortion - although some of them are also dangerous drugs, especially things like the "morning after" pill

The morning after pill is not good I agree. It does have serious side effects on the body, as do some birth control tablets. Like I said, more research into birth control is needed to make the morning after pill less needed.

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I did not know that.

I have concerns about the far right banning birth control which is the biggest stopper of abortions in this country. Quality birth control keeps conception from happening in the first place up to 99% of the time. Many ultraconservatives want to ban the ability of a woman to control family size.

That is so...provided this vote doesn't bring forth repercussions within other states.
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(BTW, that is a pretty cat.)

Well then to another country. If I had gotten pregnant when I was young, I wouldn't have wanted to tell my folks because it's non of their business.
But if I had to ask, they would have paid for a flight to Canada or Europe or anywhere else in the world for an abortion.

That's were the banning abortion laws are unfair and won't work. People with money,(or supportive parents with money) can always get a safe abortion.

The safest legal abortions pre Rowe V Wade were in Japan. Imagine the costs of going to Japan in the 60's.

The poor will have fewer options. It's not just the flight or the cost of the abortion. There's the time off from work or school, hotel costs, taxi's in a strange area, eating in restaurants for several days. It adds up to a lot of money.

Thanks about my kitty. That's Frankie. He's a great cat.

That is an excellent point that needs to be loudly expressed. More birth control means less abortions too.