Breaking Free Of The Constraints Placed By The Founding Fathers   

Thank you.

A President swears an oath to uphold and defend the US Constitution, with what Obama is saying he cannot do that.

That first link confirms that he did say that the Warren Court did not break free from the constraints of the Constitution. Did you read her discussion at all before you posted those links?

Neither one of those links sufficiently address the key issue here.

The "key issue" is that the original poster has twisted this quote into a truly absurd claim that, to say the least, doesn't hold water.

The key issue here is that Obama thinks the Constitution doesn't give government enough power.

According to your imagination, maybe. But there's nothing in that quote or anything else that suggests that to a rational person. That's why these fact checkers have already deflated these claims.

Those links address the issue of redistribution of wealth, which is not the same as expanding the role of the federal government, correct? If you are going to make an argument, understand what you are arguing against first.

Clarus did you not read the quote? Or did you read it through your rose colored glasses that show a world in which Obama is the messiah?

Your links did NOT address Obama's intent to increase the size of government and discard Constitutional constraints on Federal powers.

Here's the quote:

It didn’t break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the founding fathers in the Constitution, at least as its been interpreted and Warren Court interpreted in the same way, that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. Says what the states can’t do to you. Says what the Federal government can’t do to you, but doesn’t say what the Federal government or State government must do on your behalf,"


To loosely quote Thomas Jefferson:

"Any government that is big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you have"

There's a reason the constitution doesn't define what the government must do on your behalf: because the founding fathers figured it was YOUR JOB to take care of yourself with MINIMAL INTERFERENCE FROM THEM. Obama doesn't like that though; it's not the government he envisions.

I know I should not do this but I will. What the heck are you talking about. Obama said every word that I wrote or are you trying to say I made that up.

None of the fact checkers dare touch the claim that 0bama believes the constitution gives only negative rights and should confer more positive rights.

The links provided do not debunk the original poster or even address the issue to which she refers. Namely, 0bama thinks the constitution is a seriously deficient document with an emphasis on negative rights as opposed to positive rights. Did you not see the part of the 0bama quote where he complained the constitution does not gurantee what the government has to do for you, but promises what the government will not do to you?

Negative rights.

1) The government may not limit your freedom of speech
2) The government may not limit your freedoms of association
3) The government may not limit your freedom of assembly
4) The government may not limit your freedom of religion

And many many more.

Positive rights.

1) You have a right to a good job.
2) You have a right to housing.
3) You have a right to health care.
4) You have a right to food.

And many many more.

As a practical matter negative rights are more associated with liberty than positive rights.

Negative rights prevent the government from becoming tryanical and despotic by limiting the power of government.

Positive rights require the government to become tryanical and despotic. Why? Because the material things necessary to gurantee the positive rights are in ever increasing constant demand and require the effort of someone to produce them. With most people just standing around having a good time because they have a right to the necessities of life, the government can only obtain the physical goods necessary for the promised positive rights through FORCE. Of course, people don't like that, one things leads to another, and before you know it, a full blown oppressive dictatorship police state is born.

Now, pay real close attention. 0bama is a very smart man. He knows the above is true. The lessons from history are clear on this. Think for a minute what that means

Excellently spoken Red. You said it so much better than I did.

Based on that quote alone one can surmise that Obama isn't keen on defending the Constitution as much as "breaking free of its constraints".

To uphold and defend the Constitution what a concept.

??? huh???

Facts: blacks make up less than half of the welfare role (38 percent to be exact) so who are the other 62 percent? Non- blacks. White women cycle through homeless shelters almost two to one of their black counterparts.

Facts: the civil rights movement guranteed southern justice and rule "for the next hundred years" which is definately a constraint to come from under. Not sure what lunch counters has to do with it and for the record blacks don't try to sit with whites in cafeterias and public places. Its still pretty segragated just go hang out in a cafeteria.

Fact: Whites have never paid a penalty for their ancestors. Never, in fact when reprorations were ever discussed the same ole arguments came forth, suddenly no one was akin to the former slave owners, everyone immigrated and no one wanted to lay claim to their good ole southern white hertiage but at the same time these mysterious 'immigrants' were quick to 'agree' to black oppression and racism.

Fact: your fear are clearly stated a "futuristic show that showed what would happen if{blacks were the boss and white were second class citizens}. Well I can put your fears to bed. That same civil right sit in thing...well that was not all the civil right movement was about, the main thing your people got out of it was that "we have just given the nation to the south for the next hundred years". So its only been fifty years, Obama can't undo anything fast enough to cover the next fifty years so don't be scared of blacks doing to you what you did to them.

Fact: what the constitution, civil rights bill and other policies have done is create a "false" pursuit of happiness and liberty for all and it is backfiring under the bush administration. Many 'white' professors have spoken and written on this very topic.

I agree with Obama, if McCain goes forth with business as usual and things don't change this nation is doomed to hell. As for paying for the sins of the father, the nation is already paying for it, just take a look around.

Welfare Statistics By Race.

White 38.8%
Black 39.8
Hispanic 15.7
Asian 2.4
other 3.3



Fact: Statistically speaking, there are more blacks represented on welfare than whites, since blacks make up 14% of the population and whites make up roughly 50%. Which means blacks are represented 2 1/2 times more according to population than whites and other races.


Fact: the law prohibits you being forced to pay the debts of your parents or relatives. Reparations can only be paid to the injured party and since no black person in America is currently enslaved, no reparations are owed.

Fact: The majority of the people currently in this country have not even the slightest connection to slavery and the ones who do are not guilty of any crime. They did not ask to be born the relative of former slaveholders and cannot be held accountable for a crime they did not commit.


Fact: Blacks were selling each other into slavery long before the US existed. In fact, the slave trade in Africa is still alive and well.

Benefited from what wealth?? You're full of crap. This whole "You should suffer because you benefited" logic fails seriously.

CJRWELLS
"Fact: Whites have never paid a penalty for their ancestors"
Why the hell should I have to??????

ery1500, a black man broke into my house and stole my television; so by your logic I should give the nearest black person a bill for a new TV because all black people are guilty for crimes committed by other black people just like whites are guilty for crimes committed by other whites.

Wow, the welfare-victim mentality here is alive and well I see.

X: I don't know any, ANY blacks who are sitting back waiting on you or anyone else to give the anything, let alone reparations for slavery. So your indignation is unwarranted. What I am pointing out is simply this: Obama is being called a socialist for wanting to redsistibute wealth which is a lie. He has a tax plan and there is a tax plan in place now and have been but no one is upset at bush (and all should be) and the post went into the direction of taking wealth from the rich and giving to "them" and I want to clarify who "them" are.

I gladly admit that there are a whole new generation of people black and white who wants to put race behind us and who give a sh** about reparations? I tend to agree with these young ones and so are some of their parents who they have talked to as is evident in this election. What I don't have tolerance of is when someone tosses a racial remark into the air and it goes unchallenged. If Obama taxes us higher than we are being taxed now, ok, so be it, I too am taxed but to insinuate that it is going to "them", well them is not all black.

And I for one am tired of taking my HARD earned money to take care of all these mullato babies whose moms are running in and out of homeless shelters two to one in referance to their black counterpart and I am tired of paying for the welfare queen who is definately not all black. BUT I would rather pay for them than to keep paying for a war we don't belong in and bailing out banks that I had nothing to do with.

"And I for one am tired of taking my HARD earned money to take care of all these mullato babies"

I'm sorry I simply don't understand that statement.

Are you okay taking care of babies as long as they're all black or all white? Are mixed race babies less deserving of care and compassion? Do you have something against bi racial people? Were you aware that Obama is bi racial? How do you think he'd feel about your statement that you're sick of taking care of "mulatto babies"?

I don't care about how Obama would think of my opinion, he got my vote and that is just that. Any child deserves to be cared for, maybe that is his redistribution??? However I still say don't throw out dirt and racist comments at him and blacks and expect it to go unchallenged. If redistribution is going to benefit blacks and OMG what a shame for rich america..OK...well there is a segment that are using my tax dollars and they are not black.

And if these "big black" men keeping attacking you and you are so scared of them then keep your hands off of them and not only them, quit being a cesspool for the population and keep your hands off hispanics, asians, africans, blacks, china man, whoever happens to come along.

Don't act like I am being racist when there are post here calling Obama a monkey, and wanting to destroy america by giving wealth to the poor blacks who are lazy and won't work "HARD" and are looking for a hand out. I am not racist when it is the repugs who came out with the Obama food stamps with watermelon, fried chicken, ribs and kool aid surrounding him or the obama waffles memicking "ant jemammy" on it. There are post on mylot saying I (white) am scared to walk in a black neighborhood and everyone agrees and then want to pretend like we are so equal and I am racist because I challenge those comments.

And I don't give a rats baby a$$ weather Obama, his camp, McCain, his camp, who ever don't like it. I will challenge all of them to say racism does not exist and is not in this campaign. In fact I would tell him to just read the posting here, the handwriting is on the wall.

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rethoric and typical. I don't expect the government to "give" me anything as a matter of fact I am tired of "giving to them" (and I already said who "them" is. As for the rest of your BS, I forgot what you said...who cares. Whatever you said...I made your sheet show.

If you're so tired of "giving" I take it you are one of the top 6% of the country who pays 90% of the taxes?

Look at you: acting like a racist jerk and then accusing me of being racist when I have said nothing even remotely racist. You can't even argue intelligently here; you're just spewing nonsense.

Who's being typical now?

Oh and if you support Obama's programs then you are a liar when you say you aren't waiting for government handouts.

Obama has a TRILLION DOLLARS in new government spending. But I guess you won't be one of the ones benefiting from those new government programs because you'll be too busy "giving".

damn straight i will...giving to "the unwining masses" in the trailor parks and their mullatoes.

He uses class warfare which is the hallmark of the communist themes who always claim to be for the working class, until such time as they come into power and begin dictating to the people.


BINGO


You said it all right there.

Seriously, when I read that the hairs on the back of my neck stood up because in that one sentence you exposed Obama and the left for exactly what they are.