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SirDraco7 (6)   ranked 127 out of 189 in spirituality1 year ago

That is a quote that I saw on a bumper sticker a little while ago, and it has stuck with me.
Is this true?

Now. Before I go any further a small disclaimer is in order. First of all I respect all religions, and I do not mean to bash any. I am posting this for discussion sake only, so if this is offensive in any way I apologize, I do not mean it as such.
I have no desire to change or convert people.
Only to have a lively discussion and hear peoples thoughts and comments and opinions about the bumper sticker.

So.. moving on...

Is this true? I was raised Catholic. And I look around whenever I go to mass and it makes me wonder sometimes.

heck.. my family seem almost like brainwashed robots sometimes.

How does religion differ from a cult?

Do you agree? disagree?

 
 
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1. myLot reputation of 92/100. SueD823 (164)   1 year ago

Perhaps an organized cult, or rather one that is socially accepted. I know many people need religion, i.e. church, in order to fulfill needs within them and I use to need that, too. I still love my occasional trip to church to refresh my self and to socialize, as well.

I agree that many seem like robots who are brainwashed into thinking a certain way and if you aren't "that" way, you are somehow different. Many religions think black and white and there is no gray.

Though this may be off topic, regarding the black and white thought, when I think of religion I think of forgiveness and acceptance. Though aren't some of the "religious" the first to throw stones at, for instance, gays? I'm not here to judge, I am here to love, I'll leave the judging up to my God.

I have my relationship with God without going to church on a regular basis and I'm doing well. I have my bible I read and many Christian self-help books. Though they are Christian based, it does not mean that I agree wholeheartedly with what they say.

I have my own mind, and as I said, I prefer to love and not judge.

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2. myLot reputation of 89/100. thelastwolf113 (3082)   ranked 167 out of 189 in spirituality   1 year ago

Yes, it's a bit cultish and even a bit of brainwashing. No disrespect to anyone. Religions want people to follow blindly and call it faith, they disapprove of questions. That's cultish to me.
The major religions of the world are accepted so they don't consider themselves 'cults'.

This is the definition of cult from dictionary.com:
1. a particular system of religious worship, esp. with reference to its rites and ceremonies.
2. an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, esp. as manifested by a body of admirers: the physical fitness cult.
3. the object of such devotion.
4. a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc.
5. Sociology. a group having a sacred ideology and a set of rites centering around their sacred symbols.
6. a religion or sect considered to be false, unorthodox, or extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader.
7. the members of such a religion or sect.
8. any system for treating human sickness that originated by a person usually claiming to have sole insight into the nature of disease, and that employs methods regarded as unorthodox or unscientific.

I think all religions fit the bill to a degree, some more, some less. When we think of the word 'cult' we usually think of definition number 6, being false or extreme, people living in a separatist society like Jim Jones' cult or even Charlie Manson's group.
t as we can see, the word cult has other meanings.

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3. myLot reputation of 81/100. sisco100 (1385)   ranked 102 out of 189 in spirituality   1 year ago

i have to agree with you on this. i think there is a fine line that makes a difference between a religion and a cult. the only thing that i can think of is they its two different levels of belief. when you really think about them both you find things in common with each other.

whats stopping someone from turning a religion into a cult and vise versus. both believe in a higher power or something along those lines. but there are some religions that i don't think would come close to being cults. anything that worships one higher being for every thing is one that i would consider more being like a cult. I'm more likely to believe a religion that has more then one good for different things like the Egyptians.

i know that there are most likely people who are going to find what i said offensive, but I'm not try to offend anyone I'm just sharing my view and there's no crime in that. I'm not here try to tell people what to believe and not to believe. i apologize in advance to those who are offend by this.

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4. myLot reputation of 93/100. mercuryman3a (2273)   1 year ago

Cults are a subverted form of religion with one person trying to sway people according to his dictates. Often the cust head is a maveric and is later exposed. We have abundance of such people in the world who can sway you by their knowledge or their gift of the gab. It is up to you if yo get swayed by them or jsut listen to them and use your own brain.

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5. myLot reputation of 91/100. benhilo (885)   ranked 171 out of 189 in spirituality   1 year ago

The difference between a religious church and a religious cult is the degree of obsession and rigidness. A cult is more obsessed and rigid.

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6. myLot reputation of 89/100. Richard_Uther (176)   1 year ago

There's a little amount of truth in the statement, however, I don't think it's quite right.

One main difference is money. Religious organizations tend to ask for a small amount of money that members willingly give, if they refuse they are still members of the religion. Cults tend to demand the coin, you either pay or you're out.

Scientology is a good example of such cults, even though they are considered a religion in several countries. Good lawyers that's all.

Another difference is being law abiding. Groups considered a "religion" usually follow the law as well, cults on the other hand are usually associated to illegal activities and the like, pedophilia, animal (sometimes human) sacrifices, slavery and so on.

This doesn't mean cults are entirely bad, Christianity started as a cult for instance. The thing is, and here comes the kicker, religion should be about bringing people together; even if the people are members of different ones.
You say you see your family acting like robots, and that's the issue I have with religious people these days:

They are missing the message and acting cult like: "if you're not one of us, you're not accepted"

Rich


SirDraco7 (6)   ranked 127 out of 189 in spirituality  1 year ago

Personally, I think Scientology is Misrepresented to some extent. People hear things second and third and fourth hand, see rumors and 'facts' online and in the paper and in the end, know very little about what it really is.
I know a little, as I have spoken with members, but I do not fully understand it.
Then again maybe they are trying to lure me in(which won't work, I like learning, but I know who and what I am in such respects, I won't change) But the sect in buffalo spoke nothing about 'demanding' or requiring money. They invited me to come visit and learn just as any other church would and does.
I understand somewhat about their belief system.. it's different, and I think where people make and get the misunderstanding from. It's different in how they believe, in what they believe. Not like most of the 'established' religions that have been around for thousands of years, and because of that people fear what they don't understand. If you start saying some Scientology people or sects break the law, or are more restrictive.. I'll bring up the pedophile aspect and point you at catholic priests. Just because some aspects are bad and evil, doesn't make the whole such.

Also.. if you start acting cult like.. doesn't that mean you have become a cult?

Can't you be a cult without illegal activities? Or are the 'legal' cults just small glorified religions?

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7. Pascha (47)   1 year ago

All religions are cults. All of them. Every single last one of them. I don't care if your religion is Christianity, Buddhism, Muslim, or Pagan in origins. All are cults.

But that doesn't necessarily mean that they are bad things either. We tend to associate the term 'cult' with negative influences from the past. One cult brings negativity into the open, and so all cults must be bad. then people feel the need to differentiate the difference in cult and religion. They quantify their beliefs with things like "oh, this isn't a cult, that's my church gathering for worship services. It's a religion!" "He's not a cult leader, he is our pastor! The tithe we give is to support the church!" "It is God's will of what happens next. Only He has the power to heal and to love. God is good, therfore, this is a religion and not a cult."

In the end, every person needs to believe in something. Even nothing is a belief system. It is our belief in the something that gives us hope when all is lost, that gives us comfort when loved ones pass away, that give us a reason to dream! However, it is still a cult if there is more than one follower.

Sports teams? Cults. Organized yes, an all with a common goal. Still a cult. I'm betting most people don't tend to think in those terms though. Just because all religion is a cult practice, it does not mean that all cult practices are negative.

 
8. myLot reputation of 85/100. Galena (4072)   1 year ago

I tend to think of a cult as being a religion that focuses on a person, usually a charismatic leader of some sort.

so certainly, in the early days, Christianity would definitely have been what I consider to be a cult.


which I find quite funny, as a lot of Christians like to call my path a cult, and my religion has never had anything much in the way of a leader type person. it very rarely has a priesthood even. just each person with their own right and ability to reach out to the divine.

 
9. eduardovelez (2)   1 year ago

Well according to Dictionary.com a cult is "a religion or sect considered to be false, unorthodox, or extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader."

And a religion is "a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs."

So according to these definitions I would say that some religions could be defined as a cult but there would be obvious differences that would set them appart.

There are many other definitions for each term but I can't paste into this box because my rating isn't above 500 yet and I can't type that much right now. But these two were the closest for this topic.

So the answer to your question: No the bumper sticker is not totally true.


Now regarding the "brainwashed robots". What I've observed in my life so far is that many people who just go through the ceremony of the religion don't really have a very clear understanding of what they're there for. If you take a look around a little more you will see some people that show a more passionate and connected way about themselves. Next time you encounter someone like that you might want to ask them why.

Be well.


SirDraco7 (6)   ranked 127 out of 189 in spirituality  1 year ago

in regards to the first comment, about cults.. isn't that subject to perception?
For example.. if I consider Christianity extreme or unorthodox... would all the christian monasteries prove it to be a cult? the leader being the 'pope' or their version of 'god'?
I ask this because I know many Christians who would call pagans unorthadox and extremist. I have heard that if you worship anyone other than Jesus you are worshiping a false god and are going to hell. And in reversal I have heard that jesus is and was false.
So in such perspectives couldn't everything be a cult to different people?

And for, ritual observances... Some would call those of other religions extreme, or unorthodox.


eduardovelez (2)  1 year ago

Like I said the definitions are from dictionary.com so they're not open to individual interpretation. They just define the words. What is open to interpretation is what we observe from the group in question. And whether we are being objective or not.

When looking at monasteries what we need to do is ask why the men in these places chose this way of life. Monastic life is intended to bring one into a deep and continuous relationship with God. So the practice of staying secluded in silence for long periods of time has become the preferred method to practice this life. But the pope is not the focus as the god that is worshiped. He is only considered to be the human representative of Jesus on Earth. He is not to be worshiped nor prayed to. You can revere him like you would any other person you consider important in your life.

In regard to going to hell. This is what I know. If we are presented with the gospel of Jesus and reject it then we stand condemned in our own sins because we chose to keep on sinning willingly. But if we accept the gospel then we have been given the privilege to be in relationship with the God who spoke and the universe leapt into existence.

On Jesus' reality. History and archeology have confirmed his existence on Earth during the time we are familiar with. So to not believe he actually existed is just like believing that the twin towers never existed. Plus if He was false do you think anyone knowingly would allow themselves to be martyred for a lie. History shows us that most of the early followers of Jesus were killed by the Romans for not renouncing their faith or just for being Christians.

When speaking of religious observances I guess we can find some extreme when we don't understand where they came from or why they are practiced.

Be well.

 
10. myLot reputation of 82/100. Greeneagle24 (3720)   1 year ago

It depends on the persons point of view. some are using religion just to have power and commanding presence of others, literally brainwashing. but i agree even though i am a Roman Catholic. for past centuries some priest have done nothing but that just to deceive. but there are some who are good.well, anyway, you just have to believe regardless of what the preacher tells yah. in my case, i need to have faith even though it's shaky now, i cannot with out it. il go crazy if i live with out the living the presence of God.


SirDraco7 (6)   ranked 127 out of 189 in spirituality  1 year ago

I can understand, and agree to some extent.
A weird question of sorts though...
Who says you need religion to believe in god?

Why do you need anyone to tell or say to you who or what god is and what he thinks or does? Can't somebody do it on their own?


myLot reputation of 82/100. Greeneagle24 (3720)  1 year ago

Because i hate reading (not a hobby with reading a bible) and sometimes watching religious tv shows can be much boring most specially if my prime time movie is at the same time as the local tv mass. so, i needed to go church to be reminded.

 
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