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myLot reputation of 98/100. snowcat46 (1154) 1 year ago

We have lots of room, but also lots of predators. We've raised chickens before. Between the raccoons, possums, foxes, and whatnot, they never last very long. So my hubby is planning on building a cage (like a rabbit hutch) for the chickens. I was just wondering exactly how much space they need?

They will be let out when I'm home to watch them. There's no other way to do it.

We even had them in a fortified shed, and let them out in a kennel type run. These animals dug the floor out from underneath!! They'd eat them through the fence! So letting them run free during the day isn't a consideration. I have to be home to stay out with them if they're free.

 

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1. myLot reputation of 98/100. savypat (8661)   ranked 161 out of 1,374 in animals   1 year ago

Chickens are dumb, there is just no way around it. We have talked about it, but like you we just have to many predators. I did see a traveling cage arrangement
that was like a hamster run but on the ground with heavy wire so that the chickens could free range, That way they get to eat better. But I just don't see myself running out there every half hour to change the location for them. All for a few eggs. I'm not ready yet, if things get much worse I may reconsider this.


myLot reputation of 98/100. snowcat46 (1154)  1 year ago

Yeah, that's the problem. With eggs costing so much, I'd kind of like to have chickens again. Even with the cost of corn. It's just I don't want to feed the wildlife much!

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2. myLot reputation of 93/100. Irishfrndly65 (7773)   1 year ago

hmm NOT what I wanted to hear. LOL! Where do you live? I'm in Texas and we are about to get chickens. Here's a mag I just love:
http://www.countrysidemag.com/


myLot reputation of 98/100. snowcat46 (1154)  1 year ago

We're in Iowa, on the southern end. Where there aren't supposed to be foxes!! Except we saw one crossing the road yesterday. Racoons are everywhere. They are hateful!! They even go in the garage! Possums are all over too.
We've had raccoons and possums up eating the cat food, right next to the house! Used to keep the dog food outside, until we caught a possum in the bag. Now all the food is inside. I can't even feed the dogs outside, the darn blue jays eat half of it! Sheesh!Just saw in our insurance newspaper, people have pics of bobcats around here. That's just what I wanted to hear...


myLot reputation of 93/100. Irishfrndly65 (7773)  1 year ago

Hmm...I've got all that too, but I guess our "free range" dog keeps them away or something. They never bother our dog food either.


myLot reputation of 95/100. spangles94 (438)   ranked 541 out of 1,374 in animals  1 year ago

well im in tx and what kind of chickens are ya getting ?? we have polish ones they are soo cute and great with kids :) as for the food issuse we keep our food in rubbermaid tubs on our porch so the wildlife cant get to it lol cause man that food adds up ! oh I forgot to mention in my last post but they have small lights that are attched to a solar thing you can put on the roof of your chicken coop and that will help rotect them at night we just got one for now I am gonna put it up this weekend and see how much light we can get in there and maybe get another if needed , it was only 20$ so it is a good price im hoping its enough light to keep out the critters and not break my budget :)

~M~

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3. myLot reputation of 95/100. spangles94 (438)   ranked 541 out of 1,374 in animals   1 year ago

you can rid yourself of the worry from the racoons and whatnot by lining your coop fence or even outdoor fence with tin , the best thing you can do is to make sure that your chicken coop even tho it may have a fence around it put a roof of chicken wire on top to make sure the chicken haws cant have an easy meal, and you can also get tent pegs to make sure the chicken wire dont roll up on the bottom and that they cat try to crawl under it and end up hurting themselves or worse, but even if your outside your not gonna be fast enough for a chicken hawk thats why ours stay in a coop and with the tin lining the bottom they are safe from snakes too wich makes me happy since my kids go to get the eggs ;)

hope this helps !

~M~


myLot reputation of 98/100. snowcat46 (1154)  1 year ago

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4. myLot reputation of 68/100. AnnieOakley1 (2065)   ranked 328 out of 1,374 in animals   1 year ago

I always go to our free gov't factsheets to look anything up, then also ask other producers that have had the same livestock for any ideas they have successfully used, too. Here is a link to ours, as I do not know where yours is. But chickens are chickens everywhere.

http://www.omafra.gov.on....

To ensure that predators cannot dig up under a fence, when there is an existing predator problem, you can either bury chain link fence under the ground a couple of feet deep or pour a cement pad.

Sounds to me that you need a good coondog to chase and fend off the predators.
I am also a firm believer in using urine around spaces that you want to deter predators as well. It is the strongest human scent, and that is what animals do. But raccoons are notorious for having no fear of humans and there are not many deterrents that stop them, short of a 22 calibre bullet. As once they have found a food source that they enjoy, they are almost impossible to deter. Personally, I've just killed them.

One thing, when I had laying chickens, was that I did not give them run of the yard 24/7 as they have the habit of trying to hide a nest of eggs. So your supervised freedom is the best way to go to prevent attracting the predators. Otherwise, there will be caches of rotten eggs all over the place that will attract predators, and when they are done cleaning up those, they will eat the chickens as well. Yes, I have heard of raccoons pulling the chickens right through cages, literally ripping them apart, while alive to eat them. Disgusting!

Most people in my area that have reccurrent raccoon problems, will buy a live trap, and catch them. It is completely pointless to relocate them (as these blasted humanitarians regularly do), as you are only moving the problem animal into someone else's backyard, no matter how remote you think you have taken them, they are determined, smart and will travel great distances for a free meal, rather than hunt on their own. So, they will just find the nearest human population to begin again. Killing them is the ONLY reliable option. So, personally, unless you are willing to do that, I wouldn't bother getting any more chickens to put them through the sufferance of being attacked, terrorized and eventually tortured and eaten by the raccoons.


myLot reputation of 68/100. AnnieOakley1 (2065)   ranked 328 out of 1,374 in animals  1 year ago

http://www.mnr.gov.on.ca/...

I found this information to discourage raccoons.


myLot reputation of 68/100. AnnieOakley1 (2065)   ranked 328 out of 1,374 in animals  1 year ago

Here is a repellant spray.

http://www.biconet.com/cr...

Here is California raccoon pest management information.

http://www.ipm.ucdavis.ed...

Here is another from Illinois.

http://www.dupagehealth.org/ehs/ch/raccoons.asp

Hope you can find something that helps.


myLot reputation of 98/100. snowcat46 (1154)  1 year ago

I agree with live trapping in some circumstances, raccoons are not that circumstance. There are far too many of them as it is. Our neighbor makes weekly killings and trappings, but his chickens are still disappearing. I've killed my share of the bandits. I do not accept them eating cat food next to my house.

We used to have 2 big dogs that worked in tandem on them. Now, our 2 dogs are too little to do any good. And they can't work together to save their lives. Sigh.

I have cats, so trapping is out. The doofuses have to investigate everything. That would be the only reason for live trapping, since I'd have cats in them every day! The foxes are a threat, but easily deterred. Possums are too stupid. It's those cursed raccoons!

That's why we were thinking about a different type of coop, more like a rabbit hutch. That way we can keep the chickens closer to the house (not a pleasant thought anyway you look at it) and high enough to discourage the bandits.

It's been 6 years since we've had chickens or ducks. We don't see the varmints every day like we used to. That's the only reason we're considering trying it again.

I do appreciate all the wonderful sites you've given me to look over. Thank you very much.


myLot reputation of 68/100. AnnieOakley1 (2065)   ranked 328 out of 1,374 in animals  1 year ago

Yes, that's why I said that others had successfully used traps, but it sounds like your neighbourhood is overrun with the pesky varmints. I have 2 barn cats as well, and my farm dog (Border Collie), so that's why I can't use a trap either. I use the 22 rifle though every chance I get. I'm always watching for prints or tracks. Right now, I know there is one up in my barn, but I have too many round bales of hay for it to hide amongst to get it. But little does it know, the husband is planning on emptying it soon, then I'll get him for sure.

I don't know what else to tell you except that they can get through wood if they want to, so tin would be your best option with glass windowsfor light that you could open and close with a heavy gauge steel mesh screen for air since they would surely claw through a regular screen. I would even bury the damn tin under the dirt floor for security.

Do your cats like peanut butter? Mine don't. But raccoons love it! And it is great bait in a trap. Maybe once the cats have been caught in it a couple of times, they would wise up and leave them alone and you could get down to the business of catching the raccoons. Just a thought.

I wish I could help more.

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5. myLot reputation of 95/100. suzzy3 (4151)   ranked 193 out of 1,374 in animals   1 year ago

My friend has a forty foot garden and she has two chicken and they seem very happy,they do have a fortified cage for evenings,we only have foxes to worry about this must be a real problem for you.


myLot reputation of 98/100. snowcat46 (1154)  1 year ago

The foxes aren't as big a problem as the raccoons. Thanks for replying.

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6. jeffela (50)   1 year ago

Well, I saw a video called Meet Your Meat and they showed the cages that held the chickens they use to give us eggs. Turns out, they don't need much room at all. They were stuffed into these little cages very tightly to be sure and they didn't look too unhappy...of course, how can you tell when a chicken is sad? They sort of have the same look no matter what's happening to them or around them, then don't they?


myLot reputation of 98/100. snowcat46 (1154)  1 year ago

Yeah, not much facial expression on them!! But they do like to cause trouble. If you don't want them someplace, you can be sure that's where they'll all be. Every day!

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7. myLot reputation of 98/100. Darkwing (7542)   1 year ago

Both my grandad and my dad had chicken runs. Obviously, they need to be higher than a rabbit hutch and they both built wooden hen-houses at the end of the run, with a ramp up, where the hens could go to lay their eggs. I guess these chicken runs were about ten feet by four to four and a half feet, and probably about two feet high. That was for around six chicken, so I would imagine that you'd have to adjust according to the number of birds you had.

Brightest Blessings.


myLot reputation of 98/100. snowcat46 (1154)  1 year ago

Thanks for the measurements. I appreciate that.


myLot reputation of 98/100. Darkwing (7542)  1 year ago

You're more than welcome. It was just a wooden frame covered with chicken wire, but I think it was pegged into the ground with metal, hooked stakes, rather like a tent.

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8. myLot reputation of 75/100. sciantel (432)   1 year ago

I'd say the space should be at least 1 chicken apart. So they don't get scrunched.


myLot reputation of 98/100. snowcat46 (1154)  1 year ago

Or beat on each other. I agree. Thanks!

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9. myLot reputation of 94/100. TheCatLady (1769)   ranked 190 out of 1,374 in animals   1 year ago

If you bury chicken wire under the coop or shed the bad critters cant get in. Have is on the side of the wall, go down a bit underground and turn it inward for a foot or two. It will keep them nice and safe.


myLot reputation of 98/100. snowcat46 (1154)  1 year ago

Thank you for the idea. I appreciate it.


myLot reputation of 94/100. TheCatLady (1769)   ranked 190 out of 1,374 in animals  1 year ago

Your welcome. The chicken wire kept our chickens safe at night.

We had a foster dog for a short while at the same time we had chickens. He was found at the river. He was a Corgie and he loved to bother chickens. This was before chipping, so we had no way to find it's owner other than found/lost dog ads in the local paper.

He dug under the coop until my dad buried the wire. That put an end to it. Our chickens and eggs were safe.

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10. PhantomH (12)   ranked 704 out of 1,374 in animals   1 year ago

I also raise chickens, but I'm in the city, so we don't really have much to worry about. My mom puts them in a corner and then keeps them fenced in, with wooden boards to cover them so that no one can see them. She also added a door that you can slide, in order to get in.


myLot reputation of 98/100. snowcat46 (1154)  1 year ago

Be glad!! I'm sure you have to worry about feral cats and such, don't you?


PhantomH (12)   ranked 704 out of 1,374 in animals  1 year ago

Not really. We've never had an attack on a chicken before, since the area where I live, there aren't a lot of dogs and cats running around. Even if there are cats who do get into are yard, they can't really get to the chickens, since they're safely guarded. I also failed to mention that we have a roof for them, so things can't invade from above.

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