Providing A Voice-Of-Reason To The Octomom Saga
@AJ1952Chats (2331)
Anderson, Indiana
March 28, 2009 1:34pm CST
Here is something I wrote about Nadya "Octomom" Suleman and her family.
http://ainsleyjo.gaia.com/blog/2009/3/what_are_you_unaware_of
The first response I got back (after sharing a link to it) was from a friend who had found it necessary to undergo IVF. She told me that she totally agreed with me and that, in fact, she had written her own article that I find very well-written and eyeopening.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1537071/leave_octomom_alone.html?cat=9
It will be interesting to find out what kind of discussion results from reading these two articles...
3 responses
@cobrateacher (8432)
• United States
28 Mar 09
This is a very welcome post. I learned things I hadn't known before, and my attitude toward Nadya Suleman softened a little. Still, knowing she had no real home and not much access to income should have been a warning that she couldn't afford to have more children. She was going to school, so waiting until she had the advanced degree that could have brought her a steady income would be only logicsl. Six children are hard to handle; more complicate that.
My problem is taking responsibility for raising her kids, and without an income that's hardly a given.
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@AJ1952Chats (2331)
• Anderson, Indiana
28 Mar 09
On the other hand, it might be that having her kids would actually be helpful to her as a student as they brighten her life so much that she would be more inclined to be totally-alert when it comes to learning. They're her inspiration!
@cobrateacher (8432)
• United States
29 Mar 09
Your point is well-taken but, especially since she fired her valunteer nannies, just caring for so many very young children would probably not leave time or energy for other things. I should point out that I'm somewhat jealous. Cancer caused me to be unable to have children at a very young age, so I took in troubled kids -- 28 of them. I guess I understand her point and yours better than it seemed.
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@AJ1952Chats (2331)
• Anderson, Indiana
29 Mar 09
Don't worry! She and her kids aren't going nanny-less. She's just replacing some nannies she couldn't trust with some whom she can.
Sorry to hear about your not being able to have kids, but it's great to know that you've gotten to be a second parent to so many kids who needed someone like you!
@coolcoder (2018)
• United States
29 Mar 09
I'm still going to say that those children need to be taken away from her. There is no way on earth that Suleman's going to be able to be there both physically and emotionally for all of them. She is a single woman with 14 kids...do you know how much trouble married people have keeping up with so many?
Suleman has some serious emotional issues she needs to deal with. Until she does, she should not have any parental rights to those poor children.
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@AJ1952Chats (2331)
• Anderson, Indiana
29 Mar 09
The older six of "those poor children" don't seem to be suffering any. In fact, they seem to be very happy and well-adjusted. With the help of qualified nannies (ones she has chosen with the help from the hospital where the babies were born), I believe that she'll do really well with the others as well.
Imo, how family size is looked at is a trend.
I was born in 1952 and am an only child. There were several well-meaning people who thought that I should have had at least one sibling so that I wouldn't grow up lonely and spoiled.
As it turned out, I was no more lonely than any other child. Sometimes, I would have lonely moments, but I wasn't chronically lonely. As for spoiled...do we have to talk about that!?!
Seriously, I don't think that it's the family size that matters so much as how loved the child/children in a family feel. One of my friends is the baby of a family of 13 kids.
I had a best friend whom I met when I was in kindergarten and she was in first grade. She was one of five kids. When I first met her, she had both parents. However, it wasn't long before she only had her mom because her dad lost his battle with lung cancer. I believe that he had cancer even back when Patty and I first became friends, so it was her mom who minded the kids while taking care of her husband. The kids looked out for each other, too. Of course, she had supportive family and friends.
So, even if you're married at one time, you don't know when your spouse might end up dying--or even taking off and being a deadbeat parent.
When a household is reduced to one parent, does that automatically make the parent left behind unfit?
Nadya has been parenting for seven years and hasn't proven herself to be unfit during this time, so I believe that she's just one of these people who don't get easily overwhelmed--as well as being somebody who isn't afraid to ask for help should she get stuck.
@Savvynlady (3684)
• United States
29 Mar 09
Aj,
I respect your position; but let's be real. This woman is a SINGLE mom. She had no husband and her parents, bless their hearts was a great help to her, but like the father said when the doctor told him that she was about to have another after the third one, WHEN IS ENOUGH ENOUGH? they are in their retirement years. They should be able to sit back and enjoy their lives, not let their daughter add more burdens by bringing in kids, all under the age of ten!! she already had a couple of kids who had disabilities, so that means special attention to them that is not fair to bring in a seventh or eight much less fourteen. Then on top of this dillemma, the whole country, much so the whole world is in the middle of a economical crisis. Millions are losing jobs left and right. So what you gonna do? then turn around on your own family and sit up and say you was the one that paid for this house,(when her father was the one) when you could have kept up with your first house and used that one to move into the one you got now. I don't have too much sympathy for her. then go and fire folks who are giving you help.
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@AJ1952Chats (2331)
• Anderson, Indiana
29 Mar 09
When it comes to who's buying the house, it's my guess that her dad's name is on it since he has developed a better credit line. She's probably making the payments. She didn't buy the house outright but is, instead, making monthly payments on it just like I do my TV.
In the case of my TV, the family-owned business where I bought it have a financial company set up for those (such as myself) who can't afford to pay for a TV outright.
Since the job of retired from GM management stacks up better than freelance writer/online journalist, my mom and I both have our names on my TV even though I make the monthly payments.
If Nadya had a husband--even one who was out-of-work--there wouldn't have been this hostility towards her and all of those lies and half-truths spread about her.
I know a woman who had over 30 kids and was never married--back when this was very uncommon.
She was my high school English teacher, Lois Simmermon, who was also a minister at a Friends church. Of course, these were all foster kids--some of whom she ended up actually adopting. I'm not sure just what was the most number of kids she had living with her at one time. Anyway, she managed well and was still taking in kids when she was close to retirement age.
She did all this while also dealing with being crippled.
Nadya fired a poor match when it came to nannies, and she has hired ones whom she really trusts, likes, and gets along with.




