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Waken up Scots everywhere! We are losing our own precious identity. email this discussion to a friend?

myLot reputation of 93/100. Colmuc (377)   ranked 11 out of 20 in scotland9 months ago

As an exiled Scot living in Germany I am constantly "accused" of being English!
When I point out that I am Scottish the response is usually "Is that not the same?" Experienced English speakers can identify me from my strong accent as being Scottish but many still think Scotland is the name for North England! When traveling I meet with the same reactions. The Hilton Hotel in Zurich put "English" as my nationality on my registration form! I gave back my passport and challenged them to find the word "England" anywhere in it. There is no such nationality as "English". Years ago I found my son with a school book with a map showing the whole of Great Britain as England! There were several discussions here that covered what Obama gave the "Queen of England" as a present. England has not had their own king or queen in the last 300 years!.
This site uses the Union Jack, which is a combination representing the crosses of the patron saints of Ireland, Scotland and England, to indicate discussions about England. Totally wrong and I find it offensive. They have so many weird censorship rules but have so far ignored my request to correct their error.
What do other Scots think, am I being over sensitive? Can those of other nationalities understand my concern?. I am interested in what you think.

 
 
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Eskimo (1725) response was accepted on 5/8/2009.
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tags:  scotland, england, union jack, identity
 
1. myLot reputation of 93/100. xboxboy (1813)   9 months ago

yup, i have spent time working in various countrys and i found the name 'Jock' the most annoying! can they not think of a more inventive nickname?

Back to your issue of being called english. bounce the insult right back at them....if they are american call them canadian or vice versa.

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myLot reputation of 93/100. Colmuc (377)   ranked 11 out of 20 in scotland  9 months ago

Thanks for your quick response. I have not been called "Jock" in a long time but would prefer that to "English". What do think of the misuse of the Union Jack. Does it not bother you?


myLot reputation of 93/100. xboxboy (1813)  9 months ago

i find it predictably 'mylotian' for them not to correct it when they are so quick to delete certain 'offensive' discussions.

remember Scotland is the spine of great britian. it was us and the irish who got sent in to india and all her majestys commonwealth.

And for such a small country....where do i begin?

pnumatic tyres, road surfacing, television, telephone, penicilin, bank of england, golf, logarithems, radar, steam engine, US navy and whisky.


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myLot reputation of 93/100. Colmuc (377)   ranked 11 out of 20 in scotland  9 months ago

Yes and don't forget Kirkpatrick Macmillan who built the first pedal bicycle.
Or the vacuum flask, the fountain pen, the wheel and as you say, etc. etc.

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2. myLot reputation of 99/100. Aliceinwebland (5008)   9 months ago

hi Col

If I am said to be British I find that acceptable, becaue I am, but if I am called English I simply correct them by letting them know that I am Scottish. I don't take offence though, it's purely lack of knowledge on most people's part. People are people, regardless of race colour creed or nationality.

Alice happy


myLot reputation of 93/100. Colmuc (377)   ranked 11 out of 20 in scotland  9 months ago

Hi Alice,
British is correct for us and I have no problem with that,
I am not offended when a foreigner does not understand the United Kingdom set up and thinks we are all English. I am offended though and extremely annoyed when an organisation uses the Union Jack as an English flag and won't correct it. It is my way of thinking and difficult to change.
You are an angel, Alice. Always so considerate and thoughtful I wish more were like you. You are an example to us all. Please stay as you are.


myLot reputation of 99/100. Aliceinwebland (5008)  9 months ago

Thanks col happy
That's the trick though... it's dumba$$ governments and organizations that get it wrong, not nice and ordinary (some extraordinary lol) peeps like we have here on the Lot. If you see a union jack where there's meant to be a saltire just make out your colour blind and just see the blue and white wink rasp

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3. myLot reputation of 97/100. Eskimo (1725)   ranked 4 out of 20 in scotland   9 months ago

I agree with you totally. While Scotland is linked with England (in the United Kingdom), it is still a nation with a seperate identity and seperate laws from England although every day sees a dilution of these, especially with EEC trying to make everyone identical.

Most people who mistake Scotland as a part of England do so through ignorance, however as there are so many Scots and people of Scots descent in USA I would have thought that Obama would have advisors who would be able to tell the difference.

thumbup 'Scot's wha hae!!'


myLot reputation of 93/100. Colmuc (377)   ranked 11 out of 20 in scotland  9 months ago

Hi Eskimo,
Thanks for your views. Yes, the world is understandably confused.
See the next comment.

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4. myLot reputation of 82/100. irene66 (270)   ranked 20 out of 20 in scotland   9 months ago

well, when I had my training on a student visa for UK, I was taught that people from UK are referred as "English". it includes Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and England. I met some British people in China and they told me the same that is why I'm oriented that UK people are English. what I know is that people from Ireland should be called Irish, Scotland as Scottish, and so on.


myLot reputation of 93/100. Colmuc (377)   ranked 11 out of 20 in scotland  9 months ago

Hi Irene,
I think you have been speaking only to English people. In no way should you have been told that people from the UK should be called English.
The general term is British. Thanks for responding.


myLot reputation of 97/100. Eskimo (1725)   ranked 4 out of 20 in scotland  9 months ago

Irene, to call someone from Scotland (or Wales or Ireland) English can be taken as a big insult. Almost as bad though is to be called 'Scotch', which is Whisky, and is spelt without an 'e'. Whiskey is from Ireland. People who come from Scotland are Scottish or Scots.

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