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myLot reputation of 98/100. pyewacket (11657)   ranked 1 out of 1,138 in animal lover7 months ago

This has got to be, in my mind the stupidest plan going.

As many remember, we all heard of that heroic landing that was called the Miracle On The Hudson when Flight 1549 crashed into the Hudson River and was managed by Capt. Sully. The crash resulted due to bird strike, when a flock of Canada Geese flew into the plane's jet engines.

Now there are plans to "round" up at least 2,000 Canada Geese that make there "residence" usually near the major NY airports (Kennedy and LaGuardia) and KILL them.

You can see an article here (NOT a referral link but to an article about this issue)

http://www.nypost.com/seven/06112009/news/regionalnews/nyc_to_kill_geese_in_effort_to_protect_p_173768.htm

Here is the real irony about all this. Since I live in the NYC area I'm familiar with the land around both airports. Within a hop skip and jump away from Kennedy Airport for instance (in other words REAL close) is the Jamaica Bay Wildlife Refuge Sanctuary....designated land area for migrating and indigenous birds to habitat....this can mean anything from swans, geese, ducks, egrets, herons, hawks, falcons, etc. In fact years and years ago, I went to this refuge and had a field day "shooting" birds....uh, with my camera that is.

I also in years past, went to the Flushing Meadow Park marina area, where it too was designated as a "sanctuary" for birds...there, there were ducks of all kinds, swans, Canada Goose, Snow Goose, seagulls etc. It too is a mere hop, skip and jump away from NYC's other major LaGuardia airport.

Both these wildlife bird sanctuaries are just that...sanctuaries...a place for birds to settle and habitat and feel safe. Hunting any of these birds is against the law
---and now the geniuses of our city government and our Major are making the call to kill over 2,000 Canada Gesse...like duh?confused

Yes, I can see the need to prevent any future plane crashes due to bird strike, but a plane's engines can even be affected by bird strike with smaller birds, like crows or even starlings. But then the planners of these bird sanctuaries should have had the foresight NOT to designate those land areas as wildlife bird sanctuaries so near airports....like what kind of stupidity is this?angry

So it's like the city government is saying, "Oh gee, we know those are bird sanctuaries where birds of many species can have a safe place to settle between migrations, but gee, sorry we now are going to have to kill the birds."In my mind, maybe some genius should come up with a better jet engine design that would prevent bird strike after all, with flying in planes, WE ARE IN THE BIRDS TURF---they are doing what comes naturally to they...flying

Anyone else outraged by this?? I sure the hell am, and maybe due to I have a "thing" for Canada Geese and birds in general.

Here's a photo of mine of a Canada Goose I took years ago at the Flushing Meadows Park Marina....a bird sanctuary area right smack near LaGuardia airport


My Photo Of A Canada Goose
 
 
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AngryKittyMSV (1878) response was accepted on 6/14/2009.
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tags:  kill, birds, animals, canada geese to be killed, not their fault
 
1. myLot reputation of 99/100. lilaclady (19740)   ranked 126 out of 1,138 in animal lover   7 months ago

Humans think they have sole rights to this earth, I think that is disgusting, humans kill anything for any reason, then if a human get attacked by some animal then its full force to hunt down that attacker and kill it...I think its about time we all realized we humans have stuffed up this world and we do not and should not hog the whole earth... we should have learnt by now to give back to the earth and most of all to share...


myLot reputation of 98/100. pyewacket (11657)   ranked 1 out of 1,138 in animal lover  7 months ago

Mankind certainly does want to hog the whole earth...I'm working on an article about the palm oil industry that has built up in Malaysia and Indonesia by establishing palm oil plantations, and at the risk of destroying the natural habitat of the orangutans which on reside and habitat only those countries and now are at risk of extinction

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2. myLot reputation of 98/100. moondancer (2948)   ranked 84 out of 1,138 in animal lover   7 months ago

Yes, I agree and from what I saw on tv they plan not only to round up the ones at or near the airports but in lakes and ponds too.
These are beautiful magestic birds, they have every right to be here. One of our creatures that was here before all of the airplanes and just because it exsist and happens to be near airports they are going to kill thousands of them. Yes, I said thousands of them.
The geniuses that make the engines for the jets and planes should come up with a screen in front of the engines that would only allow air to go through the engines. As air is needed to make them work.
Find some way to defend the birds from the planes and likewise the planes engines from the birds. Their first thought and order of the day is to kill the birds. Come on you guys must be smarter than this.
I was outraged when I heard this and and I sent a letter to our senator. Obviously it did not do any good. But if the letters came in masses maybe it would.
Where are the people fighting for the rights of these birds? Don't they have any rights?
Apparently not! They are going to be slaughter in the name of invention, jet engines...


myLot reputation of 98/100. pyewacket (11657)   ranked 1 out of 1,138 in animal lover  7 months ago

I always thought a "simple" solution to the problems of jet engines would be to place some kind of screen as well--the jet engine is basically the same design as it has been for about fifty years...they certainly could come up with something better.
So they are doing the same thing in your state too? I'm surprised major animal rights organizations haven't spoke their outrage about this...mmm...maybe some time needed for letter writing?


myLot reputation of 98/100. moondancer (2948)   ranked 84 out of 1,138 in animal lover  7 months ago

That would be great if you would write letters. I am going to send one to the animal rights group, the president, the congressman here and another on to the senator. If many more people would join in our fight for these birds and offer a solution if they think of one that would be great.
I think for now they could put a screen on the engines that have tiny holes that would not allow the birds or any parts to be sucked into the engine but still allows air to flow through.
That's the only thing I can think of now. Until they build a better engine that is bird friendly. There are many people out there and there should be many ideas.
I know you will write letters. Thank you for joining in the fight.


myLot reputation of 98/100. pyewacket (11657)   ranked 1 out of 1,138 in animal lover  7 months ago

I just read a sad update though...seems they've already gone ahead and as the article put it have already "removed" 1250 geese..crap--trying to find the article again
I'll still write however....


myLot reputation of 98/100. moondancer (2948)   ranked 84 out of 1,138 in animal lover  7 months ago

This certainly is sad news. Maybe we can still stop the senseless killing of any more of the precious creatures. I'm shocked that they acted so quickly on doing this. Since when have they acted so quickly on anything before? We can not help the ones that they have already killed, but we can stop the killing of more.

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3. myLot reputation of 98/100. byfaithonly (6302)   ranked 105 out of 1,138 in animal lover   7 months ago

Makes me sick - bad enough we are taking over all the land that once belonged to the animals but now we're taking over the sky too. These birds are doing what comes natural to them and what is going to stop them from coming back next year. Oh we could spend millions of dollars and build a net to block them but they are still going to go to their 'home area' and opps net would get in the way of the planes... It's not natural for us to be up in the air to begin with, well at least not me, I wasn't born with wings. Stupid, sick, and idiotic the whole idea of it. Let's just kill all the animals on earth and then start killing the people that get in our way - oh opps again, already doing that...


myLot reputation of 98/100. pyewacket (11657)   ranked 1 out of 1,138 in animal lover  7 months ago

That's a good major point...yes, next year more birds (the survivors) will be back, so I guess that means more will be killed then as well
As I mentioned in my reply to poster number one here...I'm in the midst of doing an article how orangutans are being threatened with extinction...they are only found in Malaysia and Indonesia where more and more palm oil plantations are being built up for the palm oil industry...this means taking away the land from the orangutans and other endangered apecies


myLot reputation of 98/100. byfaithonly (6302)   ranked 105 out of 1,138 in animal lover  7 months ago

It just keeps going - eventually we won't have any animals left on earth because the human race just keeps taking and taking.

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4. myLot reputation of 97/100. Kashmeresmycat (1312)   ranked 168 out of 1,138 in animal lover   7 months ago

Hey there girlfriend!!
Thought I'd pop in to see what's happening here on myLot and here you are!

This is such a sad subject all the way around. We ALWAYS take away the animals territory without any hesitation. It's pathetic and very hard to deal with.

We just encroach constantly on what little area they have left, and they don't know where to go or what to do anymore. Then we get mad when they encroach on our territory, and it's boom, kill them. Same with the deer, we have too many in the backyards, shoot them, and they do.

I remember one apartment complex I lived in, had a big beautiful lake and during the Spring the maintenance men would go around and shake the eggs to destroy them. It was sickening. Man will always be barbaric no matter what day and age it is.


myLot reputation of 98/100. pyewacket (11657)   ranked 1 out of 1,138 in animal lover  7 months ago

I just read another article that 1250 Canada Geese have already been "removed"--gee, how nicethumbdown
Yes, man certainly is barbaric...no wonder I prefer animals over people
(Glad to see ya too..been awhile)

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5. myLot reputation of 85/100. blue65packer (1880)   ranked 38 out of 1,138 in animal lover   7 months ago

It definately sounds like a reeal stupid and idiotic thing to do!! That is the goverment for you! What a bunch of morons! Like you said, Geese aren't the only birds that can couse damage to a airplanes engine! Maybe the people who run the airports should reconsider before doing this really stupid thing of killing geese! I hope the Humane Society or PETA or someone other animal cruelty oraganiztion steps in and this bird killing doesn't happen! I agree that the airlines could and should look into building different plane engines that birds are less likely to be stucked into! It makes better sense then kiilling all those innocent birds!


myLot reputation of 98/100. pyewacket (11657)   ranked 1 out of 1,138 in animal lover  7 months ago

I'm surprised animal rights organizations haven't stepped up to protest this as well. seems like the "hunt" is already on sadly...I read in another updated article just now that 1250 Canada Geese were....removed--crap that's a LOT of birds already--this is outright slaughter in my eyes.


myLot reputation of 85/100. blue65packer (1880)   ranked 38 out of 1,138 in animal lover  7 months ago

angrySounds like slaght to me,too! Idiots!

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6. myLot reputation of 96/100. BarBaraPrz (3485)   ranked 219 out of 1,138 in animal lover   7 months ago

Idiots all.


myLot reputation of 98/100. pyewacket (11657)   ranked 1 out of 1,138 in animal lover  7 months ago

Yes they are idiotsangry

 
7. myLot reputation of 94/100. OreoCookie3 (18790)   ranked 70 out of 1,138 in animal lover   7 months ago

EXACTLY!!! It is the air travelers that are the interlopers there in New York, not the birds! It all comes down to the ALL MIGHTY DOLLAR. They don't want to spend money developing a bird safe engine. I understand they have to land safely, and take off safely.. but they don't have to round up all the birds and executeangry them!


myLot reputation of 98/100. pyewacket (11657)   ranked 1 out of 1,138 in animal lover  7 months ago

When you think of it, the basic design for the jet engine is probably the same it's been for about 50 years...I'm pretty sure in all those years bird strikes have occurred....like duh? It WOULD be so much easier to design a new style of jet engine to prevent this

 
8. myLot reputation of 96/100. carpenter5 (1879)   ranked 170 out of 1,138 in animal lover   7 months ago

We have geese on the lake behind our house. I love to watch them fly in and land on the water. It is so amazing to watch. I am not sure if they are Canadian geese or what kind of geese they are, but they are pretty and sure do love it when the kids come out in the afternoon with leftover biscuits, cornbread from dinner!
Some nights there are 30-40 geese and about that many little ones throwing them bread pieces.
I am sure that there will be a wildlife group of some sort that will jump in and hopefully save these birds.


myLot reputation of 98/100. pyewacket (11657)   ranked 1 out of 1,138 in animal lover  7 months ago

Aren't they beautiful birds to watch? There is also a park area some distance away I used to go to, Kissena Park that has a pond and like clockwork around the end of September the Canada Geese would make their home there for awhile before moving on to warmer climates
I'm hoping an animal activist group tries to stop this slaughter as well


myLot reputation of 94/100. mariposaman (2507)   ranked 459 out of 1,138 in animal lover  7 months ago

Wild birds and animals should not be fed. You are just turning them into pets and upsetting the natural order so they are not wild animals anymore.


myLot reputation of 96/100. carpenter5 (1879)   ranked 170 out of 1,138 in animal lover  7 months ago

I guess I should have mentioned that these geese live on a golf course in the midst of a condo community. They are protected here from hunters at least. I spoke to another community member who said when she first moved here, the geese weren't here. That was 10 years ago. The next fall about 6 of them showed up on one of the water hazards on the course, and stayed. They figured it would be for the winter, and then we'd lose them. But come spring, two of them hatched their babies, and now there are probably 100 that live on the course and around the condos.


myLot reputation of 98/100. pyewacket (11657)   ranked 1 out of 1,138 in animal lover  7 months ago

I was kind of guilty (as well as others) who would feed the geese and ducks at that Kissena Park pond as well--but only in the colder months when food was scarce

 
9. myLot reputation of 96/100. carpenter5 (1879)   ranked 170 out of 1,138 in animal lover   7 months ago

We have geese on the lake behind our house. I love to watch them fly in and land on the water. It is so amazing to watch. I am not sure if they are Canadian geese or what kind of geese they are, but they are pretty and sure do love it when the kids come out in the afternoon with leftover biscuits, cornbread from dinner!
Some nights there are 30-40 geese and about that many little ones throwing them bread pieces.
I am sure that there will be a wildlife group of some sort that will jump in and hopefully save these birds.


myLot reputation of 96/100. carpenter5 (1879)   ranked 170 out of 1,138 in animal lover  7 months ago

I'm not sure how this ended up getting saved twice.


myLot reputation of 98/100. pyewacket (11657)   ranked 1 out of 1,138 in animal lover  7 months ago

LOL--that's okay--these glitches happen here lol

 
10. myLot reputation of 50/100. Anora_Eldorath (2605)   ranked 139 out of 1,138 in animal lover   7 months ago

Pye-

I recall seeing that on the news. It's senseless. We forget easily that this was the animal's world before humans and it will return to them. It's a shame we cannot enjoy them while we exist on this planet together, instead of killing them off. I suppose I will never understand our need as humans to take more then we need, and extinguish anything that gets in our "way".

Perhaps you can publish a book this and get it out to the mass populus.

Namaste-Anora


myLot reputation of 98/100. pyewacket (11657)   ranked 1 out of 1,138 in animal lover  7 months ago

As I've mentioned elsewhere here, I'm doing an article about how the orangutans are being threatened in Malaysia and Indonesia....the ONLY place they habitat...why? due to all the development of the palm oil industry and the plantations being built to raise the oil palm trees
Yes mankind does seem to have a bad track record and history in eliminating anything in his way...including people

 
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