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myLot reputation of 74/100. bobmnu (2674)   ranked 192 out of 6,394 in politics7 months ago

Has anyone been able to read the new climatre change bill that passeD the House. I tried but was not able to understand most of it. I did manage to skim through about 164 pages and understood very little of it. What I did get out of it was

1. There is 4 Billion dollars to buy old Klunker Cars
2. They want to reduce the peak demand for electricity at a time when they want to switch to cleaner electricty.
3. Much of the bill states what they want to do and leaves it up to the EPA to set the rules and regulations.
4. It wants to cut Diesel carbon emmissions from 1.9 to 1.2 parts per million. They just cut it from 20 parts to 1.9 parts per million and now they want to cut more.
5. There is a provision to pay 80% of a person health insurance (up to $1500. per month) if they lose their job as a result of this bill for 156 months - 13 years. They will also pay $1500 in relocation expenses and $1500 per month job hunting expenses for 156 months.

 
 
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1. myLot reputation of 78/100. xfahctor (5597)   ranked 62 out of 6,394 in politics   7 months ago

"Much of the bill states what they want to do and leaves it up to the EPA to set the rules and regulations"
BINGO!
They set the gaol through congress, an elected body, then leave the regulations, methods and requirements to the EPA, an UNelected body. And all using a thousand plus page document to do what could have easily been 3 pages. It's another example of congress handing authoity to an entity that was never intended to have such great authority.


myLot reputation of 74/100. bobmnu (2674)   ranked 192 out of 6,394 in politics  7 months ago

It is a very nice trick to use. We pass the law but the EPA made it too strict. It not my fault it is the EPA. The main purpose of a regulatory agency is to make sure they are so busy that they need more help. They want to regulate enough to keep their job an=but so much that they have to really have to work.

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2. myLot reputation of 52/100. PreetSG (227)   ranked 469 out of 6,394 in politics   7 months ago

I saw something different I guess.
http://slashingtongue.com/politics/aces-analysis-part-1/

I agree with you though on point 5. That cost way too much money.

And point 1 is mistaken. They are copying the German car plan in their stimulus bill that is wildly successful. They are giving you vouchers to change your old higher emission cars into newer lower emission cars.


myLot reputation of 74/100. bobmnu (2674)   ranked 192 out of 6,394 in politics  7 months ago

Most of the people driving Klunkers can not afford to purchase a new car. What I think is going to happen is people who are going to buy a new car will go out and pay someone more than the car is worth but way less than the voucher.

I read you link and it reminded me of another article that I read. It talked about the Hidden cost of Wind Power. You have to buy or rent the land to put up the Wind Turbines, then you have to pay for the easements for the power lines to transport the electricity to the consumer. With a power plant you can build them on much smaller pieces of land and closer to the consumer so you have less lines to run. The talk is that the Cap and Trade will make the Wind Affordable. Right now you can do coal, gas or oil for less than $1.00 per KWH, Wind and Solar are in the neighborhood of $28.00 per KWH. The difference is not $0.50 per day for consumers. That is the goal once you add all the tax on to coal, gas and Oil.

The concept of this bill is bad. You reduce our use of carbon based fuels and depend on alternative energy is to invite economic disaster. 25 years ago they were using the same scientific data to prove that man was causing global cooling. Man made global warming is based on Junk Science.


myLot reputation of 52/100. PreetSG (227)   ranked 469 out of 6,394 in politics  7 months ago

I disagree with you there pops.

I think it should be a matter of time that we have to go away from oil and coal. Wind turbines make absolute sense, if the place is windy enough. That is a no brainer. The thing is not many places are windy enough. It can work in Montana and Holland (I can't spell its official name) where they are successful.

I also think that wave and other technologies should also be harvested now rather than oil. It can be made cheaper. We can work it out. We MUST work it out.

Oil is too dangerous to American national security and to the planet for us to rely on it.

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3. myLot reputation of 78/100. xfahctor (5597)   ranked 62 out of 6,394 in politics   7 months ago

Below is a reprint of a July 1, 2009 Open Letter to Congress by a team of prominent atmospheric scientists.

OPEN LETTER TO THE CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES: YOU ARE BEING DECEIVED ABOUT GLOBAL WARMING

You have recently received an Open Letter from the Woods Hole Research Center, exhorting you to act quickly to avoid global disaster. The letter purports to be from independent scientists, but that Center is the former den of the President's science advisor, John Holdren, and is far from independent. This is the same science advisor who has given us predictions of “almost certain” thermonuclear war or eco-catastrophe by the year 2000, and many other forecasts of doom that somehow never seem to arrive on time.

The facts are:

The sky is not falling; the Earth has been cooling for ten years, without help. The present cooling was NOT predicted by the alarmists' computer models, and has come as an embarrassment to them.

The finest meteorologists in the world cannot predict the weather two weeks in advance, let alone the climate for the rest of the century. Can Al Gore? Can John Holdren? We are flooded with claims that the evidence is clear, that the debate is closed, that we must act immediately, etc, but in fact

THERE IS NO SUCH EVIDENCE; IT DOESN'T EXIST.

The proposed legislation would cripple the US economy, putting us at a disadvantage compared to our competitors. For such drastic action, it is only prudent to demand genuine proof that it is needed, not guesswork, and not false claims about the state of the science.

DEMAND PROOF, NOT CONSENSUS

Finally, climate alarmism pays well. Many alarmists are profiting from their activism. There are billions of dollars floating around for the taking, and being taken.

Robert H. Austin
Professor of Physics
Princeton University
Fellow APS, AAAS
American Association of Arts and Science Member National Academy of Sciences

William Happer
Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics
Princeton University
Fellow APS, AAAS
Member National Academy of Sciences

S. Fred Singer
Professor of Environmental Sciences Emeritus, University of Virginia
First Director of the National Weather Satellite Service
Fellow APS, AAAS, AGU

Roger W. Cohen
Manager, Strategic Planning and Programs, ExxonMobil Corporation (retired)
Fellow APS

Harold W. Lewis
Professor of Physics Emeritus
University of California at Santa Barbara
Fellow APS, AAAS; Chairman, APS Reactor Safety Study

Laurence I. Gould
Professor of Physics
University of Hartford
Chairman (2004), New England Section of APS

Richard Lindzen
Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Fellow American Academy of Arts and Sciences, AGU, AAAS, and AMS
Member Norwegian Academy of Science and Letters
Member National Academy of Sciences


myLot reputation of 74/100. bobmnu (2674)   ranked 192 out of 6,394 in politics  7 months ago

It is too bad that Rep Waxman refused to allow the Republicans to call their witness as a rebuttal to VP Gore. The VP told Congress that he would not testify if they were going to allow the opposition to testify. So much for transparancy in the government.

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