I have a job for you folks....  | |  I am asking you to do what your congress could not/would not do. Read and understand HR 2454, The American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009. I am already on it, not expecting to finsish any time soon. A lot of it refers amending other existing laws, you will have tio look those up yourself as you go along, I alreay provided you with the main monster document, all 1201 pages of it. so read all of it and all the existing legislation discussed in it as well, get the understanding one should have of it required to sensably vote on it and get back here with some thoughts. Thanks, maybe you can earn my vote next election.
http://www.rules.house.gov/111/LegText/111_hr2454_sub.pdf
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| | | | | | 1.  kennyrose (4004) | 5 months ago |  X
I'm so very sorry I did not see you post I must had been getting mine ready when you posted on the cap and trade bill.
Rose
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 xfahctor (5027) | 5 months ago | lol, no problem at all rose, no worries. I am going to take a look at what you posted later on, yours may actually be a more updated version. | |
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| | 2.  irishidid (3008) | 5 months ago |  I scanned through a bit of it. That was enough to make my eyes bleed. I stopped at the tree planting organizations. Are we getting a tree czar? It reads like someone with the worst case of ADD ever wrote it. I guess all of them read that way though.
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| xfahctor (5027) | 5 months ago | I could feel the drool beginning to form at the corner of my mouth after a few pages. | |
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| | | 3. heathcliff (791) | 5 months ago |  The reading is bad enough, but the "understanding" is a @^#$%. There are so many loopholes and circular definitions that it is basically going to be about how it is enforced, not how it is written. Anything subject to that much executive interprettation is just "buck passing" by Congress. I think they want to be able to say "It's not our fault" again.
The Senate version may pare it down a bit, but by the time it goes through both houses 2 more times it will be so full of exceptions and addendums that they might as well have not wasted their time. It is going to end up being a non-factor on business AND the environment.
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| xfahctor (5027) | 5 months ago | I am of the belief that all legislation should be no more than a few pages long and in plain simple language. If they can't write a bill that meets those standards, than the bill shouldn't be written and the law isn't nessesary. | |
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 connierebel (382) | 5 months ago |  I agree. I think they do it on purpose so that the Congressmen won't feel like reading it and they will just pass it anyway. also, so that the American people won't understand it and they can pass a lot of stuff that we wouldn't approve of.
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| | | 4. foursox212 (175) | 5 months ago |  Thats my elected officials jobs, they failed at that so I'm gonna fire em, all of them.
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| xfahctor (5027) | 5 months ago | thats what happens to any of us when we don't do our jobs isn't it? We get fired. | |
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| foursox212 (175) | 5 months ago | yep, they all can go if you ask me. | |
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| | | 5. hornswaggled (1890) | 5 months ago |  Well X I've been off the flippin internet for the last 3 days but I'm back on now. I am starting to look at this but it's bogging down my computer so much I'll have to take it slow.
Normally I just copy it but I don't really want 1200 pages of baloney setting on my desk....
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