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myLot reputation of 90/100. CraftyCorner (2983)   ranked 70 out of 3,987 in politics 3 years ago

As the economy circles the drain, services are cut, and taxes skyrocket angry voices are raised. One group of people are hearing derision almost as angry as that shot at the banks that got the world economy into this mess. It is the loosely grouped cluster of people known as 'benefits scroungers'.
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'Benefits scroungers' aren't fraudsters as they technically qualify for the benefits they receive. Yet I can see the annoyance of taxpayers watching those living on benefits having ten children living in a seven bedroom consul home.
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Every one's definition of 'scrounger' verses 'needy' is very different, and this definition changes as economics change. What worries me is this debate is beginning to look more like the making scape goats of people we don't like. The chronically obese are being attacked in the Daily Mail. The mentally ill and the chronic pain sufferers (your just a drug addict) are also attacked in the USA regularly in the right wing blogs.
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1. myLot reputation of 90/100. mrakobesie (739)   ranked 349 out of 3,987 in politics   3 years ago

I honestly just hate it when people abuse the benefits. i've seen a lot of people who do abuse it, and my hard earned money that government took from me is going to people who don't even need it, they are just too darn greedy. I think people should stop depending on money so much, honestly, food grows on trees, so plant some and get over the prises... i grow a lot of things in my studio apartment and it does help. if i can grow food in this little apartment, every one can. people have obesity and yet they are too darn lazy to walk a few blocks to a store instead of driving... this would save some money too. honestly, people have to stop and think, there were days when money didn't exist, people lived during those times too... money isn't everything, we have to stop depending on it so much...


myLot reputation of 90/100. CraftyCorner (2983)   ranked 70 out of 3,987 in politics  3 years ago

That is very true. I grow herbs in my apartment, which is a second story affair minus a proper porch. I use the herbs to add flavor to soups and such. Admittedly, I am on my country's version of benefit as I have a number of nasty health problems that can impact on working and paying rent (a money dependent activity at least in the USA). One week or more a month can see me crash...as in flat on my back unable to open my eyeballs. Employers don't take well to this.


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2. myLot reputation of 99/100. GardenGerty (35345)   3 years ago

All these people who are being labeled as scroungers need to be looked at on a case by case basis. The chronically obese, for instance. I have relatives that fit that category. They work hard, it is just their bodies have never worked right. They hold jobs, but not necessarily the highest paying. The mentally ill, well, they are ill. That does not mean we are going to take them out and shoot them. They need to be taken care of, or they will become a bigger problem to our society. Chronic pain is an issue all of its own. It is not well managed. I cannot imagine how it would be to have chronic pain. I had just short of three weeks of pulled muscle or some other kind of pain, and nothing was working very well for very long. I just cannot imagine living my life that way, but some do. I believe that there are jobs that can be adjusted to these categories, but not while our economy is in the pits.


myLot reputation of 90/100. CraftyCorner (2983)   ranked 70 out of 3,987 in politics  3 years ago

You have just said a mouthful. Mental illness and pain conditions are also not readily seen conditions either, as is a person with out legs too. The fat people who are fat due to medication reaction and illness are out there too.
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The people though that drive ME nuts are the people on benefits that continue to have double digit families of children on benefits. When you have people like the Cromptons, somethings off. There are families like this in the USA as well.
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3. myLot reputation of 88/100. jazzsue58 (1695)   ranked 995 out of 3,987 in politics   3 years ago

I WAS fit and healthy - till my world fell apart.
I WAS a well paid fitness instructor - till my health fell apart. Before that, I had muscles that'd make Madonna weep with envy. Well, sort of. Under the flab anyway.

My previous job ...don't even go there. When I was working at that place, keyboards were things attached to grand pianos.

Point being: I'm well qualified, but have been struggling along on benefits for a while.

At a very late stage (51) I find I'm good at something - journalism. But here am I, 50 plus (I've got the Saga car insurance to prove it) about to kick off a career most people start when they're 18.


I need a qualification - otherwise, I don't get the work.

There IS a journalism course - and it's accredited by the learning and skills council. But - tra dah - it costs £4000.

Will the government give me the money I need to train, so I can get off the dole? Will they heck. Best they can do is say "go get a bank loan" - tough, when your credit rating is shot as mine is.

So, what is the LSC anyway?

UK Govt spiel for "We want to look like we're helping people get back to work - but we're not, really. We need the cash for our 2nd, 3rd and 4th homes. Nowgo awayandstopannoyingusyousmellylittleruntyou."

We're cracking down on benefir thieves, they say.

Uh huh.

Guess that explains why the House of Commons is empty this time of year.

I thought the reason was they were all going off on second holidays or something.


myLot reputation of 88/100. jazzsue58 (1695)   ranked 995 out of 3,987 in politics  3 years ago

I should add - I'm actually self-employed, but my income is so low I get a bit of help off the government. Not enough to send me on a diploma course at Brighton Uni, though.


myLot reputation of 90/100. CraftyCorner (2983)   ranked 70 out of 3,987 in politics  3 years ago

I graduated high school with a 4.5 GPA. My problems began after I got my A.A. degree at Junior College: I was one of those who couldn't afford University.
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When I entered the work world, medical issues would poke their heads up costing me job after job. Visits to the doctor were tracked. Calculations were added up to a picture that put me on SSI then later SSD benefit.
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At first, it was thought I was an Autism success story. A high functioning Autistic with a A.A. degree in journalism who would then enter the work world and bla bla bla. Not quite. I also have Fibromyalgia, acute migraines, bones deteriorating in my neck, and a laundry list of other problems.


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