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myLot reputation of 98/100. savak03 (2205)   ranked 590 out of 19,465 in questions & answers5 months ago

I am trying to fix up an old ford pickup truck that has a 302 engine. I've got it all together but can't get it to crank. It is firing and the fuel pump is working. The gas gets to the carburator and into the intake manifold but doesn't get to the spark plugs. I've replaced the plugs, wires, points, condenser, rotor button, distributor cap, and coil. Does anyone have an idea of what could be causing it to refuse to start? I really appreciate any help anyone can offer.

 
 
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1. myLot reputation of 78/100. mysdianait (12185)   ranked 852 out of 19,465 in questions & answers   5 months ago

sad

Gosh Savak, not even one response yet doh
Seems the males of the species are not what they used to be.

I have no idea at all about the mechanics of cars and I do admire you for being so well-informed. If my car starts when I turn on the engine that's fine otherwise I have to call someone to help out.

Uhm... daft I guess but you have got gas in it yup? whistle


myLot reputation of 98/100. savak03 (2205)   ranked 590 out of 19,465 in questions & answers  5 months ago

That is actually a good thought there mysd and yes it does have gas. Also I am so glad you commented on this discussion because when I went to bed last night I thought I had finally had a first I didn't want, a discussion that no one has responded to. Sooo, although we are not supposed to say thanks for responding, thanks. lol


myLot reputation of 99/100. Aliceinwebland (5183)   ranked 37 out of 19,465 in questions & answers  5 months ago

hiya MysD
Seems the males of the species are not what they used to be you can say that again! When I shouted my neighbour up to help with a current problem he was too busy fiddling with my switches and I managed to find the stopcock myself w00t lol


myLot reputation of 78/100. mysdianait (12185)   ranked 852 out of 19,465 in questions & answers  5 months ago

Alice you do soooo remind me of Dawn French! lollol

You are soooooo making me laugh today wherever I read you me lass! lol

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2. myLot reputation of 93/100. stephcjh (22850)   ranked 139 out of 19,465 in questions & answers   5 months ago

I am not a mechanic but I have had my fair share of vehicle problems over the years. I would try to replace the fuel filter. That could be the problem since you replaced the other things.


myLot reputation of 98/100. savak03 (2205)   ranked 590 out of 19,465 in questions & answers  5 months ago

I appreciate the thought but the fuel filter is apparently okay since the gas gets to the carburator okay. That was a good thought though because usually if fuel is not going where it is supposed to it is either a fuel pump or filter problem.

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3. myLot reputation of 98/100. James72 (6971)   ranked 576 out of 19,465 in questions & answers   5 months ago

Have you checked the compression and timing? Aside from these areas and fuel pressure issues, all other things seem to have been mentioned already. My immediate assumption would've been problems with the fuel pump or lines, but you've said that this has all been checked? Spark plugs generally become messed up from leaking oil seals, a rich fuel mixture, or cylinder head problems that cause engine coolant to get into the combustion chamber. Checking all of these parts and their interlinking lines may help.


myLot reputation of 98/100. savak03 (2205)   ranked 590 out of 19,465 in questions & answers  5 months ago

The compressions okay but I think we ruled out a timing problem because it was not backfiring while trying to start. But maybe if it was only a little off it would not backfire but not start either. Thanks for the direction.

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4. myLot reputation of 95/100. mommamusic (581)   ranked 1,339 out of 19,465 in questions & answers   5 months ago

Have you checked your main spark plucg if # 1 is bad it want start and is the gap right on the plug,for a 302 you can gap it with it a match book cover.Did you rebuild the moter?If so the battery may not be strong enough to turn it over if it is a stright driv try starting it bt having some one push you off while in nurtrul and when you have enough speed pop the clutch,just a thought.Goodluck.


myLot reputation of 98/100. savak03 (2205)   ranked 590 out of 19,465 in questions & answers  5 months ago

The spark plugs are new and yes we gapped them. It is a straight stick but the problem is we have nothing powerfull enough to push it. We are driving a ranger and this truck is a big truck with doolies. We've got fire but the gas doesn't get to the plugs. I'm beginning to think the valves are stuck. What do you think?


myLot reputation of 95/100. mommamusic (581)   ranked 1,339 out of 19,465 in questions & answers  5 months ago

Ok i think you right after thinking this for awhile thats what i came up with i may be awoman and old but i havedone my share of fixing cars trucks and motor-cycles good luck.


myLot reputation of 98/100. savak03 (2205)   ranked 590 out of 19,465 in questions & answers  5 months ago

I'm glad to know that I am not the only woman that has worked on cars. Don't you just love the looks some men give you when they see you fixing it yourself? lol


myLot reputation of 95/100. mommamusic (581)   ranked 1,339 out of 19,465 in questions & answers  5 months ago

thumbupyes thats the best part of it my husband is always aking me some kind of stupid question about his truck,he drives the little i drive the big one. glareglare

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5. myLot reputation of 99/100. Aliceinwebland (5183)   ranked 37 out of 19,465 in questions & answers   5 months ago

hiya savak

I admire your spunk at attempting such a big job! thumbup
Unfortunately I can't help as I know nothing about cars, heck! I can't even find my stop caps rolleyes

Alice happy


myLot reputation of 98/100. savak03 (2205)   ranked 590 out of 19,465 in questions & answers  5 months ago

OOOkay just what is a stop cap??confused


myLot reputation of 99/100. Aliceinwebland (5183)   ranked 37 out of 19,465 in questions & answers  5 months ago

I may have been using the wrong word savak. It's called a stopcock/stop tap and is normally found beside the water tank and pipes. It's used when work needs to be done on the taps etc at the sinks and bath.


myLot reputation of 98/100. savak03 (2205)   ranked 590 out of 19,465 in questions & answers  5 months ago

Oh! We yanks call it a cut off valve. lol

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6. myLot reputation of 94/100. The_Lamb_Lies_Down (3268)   ranked 39 out of 19,465 in questions & answers   5 months ago

Usually, when I have that problem, I put a stick of dynamite under the gas tank, light it, and run like hell...

Of course, the truck won't start that way, but it does take care of the problem, because it gets rid of the truck.

Right now I've spent the last two hours trying to fix a computer for someone.

Got any spare dynamite?confused


myLot reputation of 98/100. savak03 (2205)   ranked 590 out of 19,465 in questions & answers  5 months ago

I have been known to threaten a few cars with a match in the gas tank and one I threatened to drive off into the Saint John's River. It kept overheating so I thought I would see if the river would be enough water for it. I have never really followed through with any of my threats though.

I might be able to help with the computer problem. I've been fooling around with them since the TRS 80's came out. What seems to be the problem?


myLot reputation of 94/100. The_Lamb_Lies_Down (3268)   ranked 39 out of 19,465 in questions & answers  5 months ago

The problem is my eyesight ain't what it used to be and my hand isn't as steady as it once was, and trying to solder a point about the size of a pinhead with shaky hands and bad eyesight is really a pain...

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7. myLot reputation of 98/100. plunketear (1241)   ranked 4,151 out of 19,465 in questions & answers   5 months ago

James and others have covered some very impressive bases here, savak.

- are you certain that when you replaced the wires, they are all in the right spot? just two out is BIG
- confirm coil wire is making contact at both ends.
- confirm that they are all seated at the plugs. This is a 'feel'...you likely know what i mean, sometimes requiring wiggling end til you can feel the recvr part of the wire, find the exact top of the plug
- consider putting old distributor cap and rotor and coil back in place to help rule out a faulty new part
- is gas stale? this will stump the most optimistic mechanic
- if intake/ exhaust valves are stuck open it will spin as if very little compression, has the engine sat for a long time since running? - if so, u gotta get that old gas out of the carb, hopefully hasn't varnished main jets that would fuel starve - but u did say u getting gas at the plugs right?
- what else...something and now i forget what i was thinking earlier.

is it spinning fast? good battery and connections? ESPECIALLY AT the starter? often overlooked when slow crank happens

u say u can't get it to crank, but that isn't what you meant right? u meant 'fire'? - cuz if engine not turning over, well gotta go in dif direction, let us know, confirm

oh - if gas not getting to plugs, any chance a mouse has built a nest in the breather box - or actiually right down inside the carb entrance to the intake man?? I have seen this believe it or not.
MICE! angryangryangry


myLot reputation of 98/100. savak03 (2205)   ranked 590 out of 19,465 in questions & answers  5 months ago

This truck had been sitting up for some time. In fact the motor was locked up when we started. Water had condensed in the top of the pistons. We took the spark plugs out and pumped out all the water and oiled the pistons then rocked the crank back and forth until we freed up the engine. We replaced all the electrical parts, points, plugs and so on and got the engine to roll over. It seemed to have compression but got less with time. Then the battery cables started to get exceedingly hot until they melted. We replaced them but now the starter seems to be fried. We are wondering if we should invest in a starter or just cut our losses.

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