So Have You Ever Read "The God Delusion"?
By Pigglies
@Pigglies (9329)
United States
August 8, 2009 12:43am CST
If so, are you an atheist, agnostic, or do you believe in some type of religion?
If you do believe in some type of religion, did this book shake your faith?
I'm about halfway through this book, and I love it! I am an atheist and his arguments make so much sense to me. But I bet religious people would find this book somewhat offensive, although maybe if they listened with an open mind they would find themselves truly questioning what they have believed in all this time.
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
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16 Aug 10
I am agnostic and find Dawkins arguments facile. The book essentially boils down to him saying "There's no proof so I don't believe. Therefore there is no God. Show me proof". That works both ways, he can't prove that there isn't a God either. Thankfully he is also an anti-creationist and has joined with clerics in the UK to speak out about the fallacy that evolution never happened. Over 40% of American christians are creationists and I find that worrying. But he's a first class scientist and only a wannabe theologian in my opinion.
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@DawGwath (1042)
• Romania
20 Aug 10
When you claim something, you have to show proof. If I came to you and said "prove that I can't fly", what would be your response?
The fact that God is such a universal term and is used in so many contexts makes him seem so probable to you, but also the lack of evidence makes you wonder. It's interesting though that no one wonders anymore if Zeus, Aprodite, Ra, Ahura Mazda, etc. exist or not, although the same 'argument' can be applied. Or are you a Zeus-agnostic also?
@p1kef1sh (45681)
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20 Aug 10
I most certainly am Zeus agnostic. Agnosticism simply means that someone is doubtful about the existence of God. All gods in my view. In terms of proof - well prove that there isn't a God. Even Dawkins allows for a tiny percentage possibility. The simple fact is that in a secular, sceptical age, we are much more at ease questioning things that not that long ago we might have accepted. In your country's history such was the fear of the church that the Communists suppressed it in 1948. Yet still many people professed a faith and today almost 87% of the population claim to be Christians (source wikipedia). They cannot all be weak minded sheep. But it may represent a need in people to have a faith in something. I have no doubt that you can fly - you just need to have an aircraft underneath you!
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@DawGwath (1042)
• Romania
20 Aug 10
Again, although I am repeating myself, I am not the one claiming God exists so I have nothing to prove. If there was even a small hint that such a being exists, I would probably reconsider, but there is no such thing.
There is a small probability that I will make or receive a million bucks by the end of the year. That doesn't mean I have a million bucks. So as long as I don't have a million bucks, that million bucks does not exist for me. Although you might find this comparrison irrelevant, please don't take it as a play of words but as simple logic.
In the end, I don't really care if you believe in a God or not, we could debate that for a million years to come, in my opinion it is irrelevant (and more than once I have encountered really annoying atheists and marvelous Christians).
My problem is when people refute the proof that science brings regarding evolution, in favor of religious ignorance. And that is as much of a problem in Romania as it is in UK. Evolution has been entirely removed from the curriculum and in my 4 years of high school not one teacher taught us a bit about it (one teacher made a monkey referrence regarding the coccyx when we were studying the vertebral column in humans, but nothing more). In contrast to all this, religious education is taught from the first grade, and although it is optional, most parents do not know that (and don't care). Also you have to write a request to the principal for this particular subject to be removed from your programme. It should be vice-versa!
It was wrong back then when religion was persecuted, but it's horrible now when the Church controls the state and it's education system.

@DawGwath (1042)
• Romania
16 Aug 10
It's definitely a great book and an eye opener, but unfortunately it is not enough to change the indoctrinated views of most people (and Richard Dawkins clearly points that in the beginning). Also it doesn't hold enough explanations and support for evolution but after all that is not main object of the book and Dawkins has written many other books on that matter (although I would still have preferred more info as it can get confusing for someone not familiar with evolution).
There was a quote (don't remember by whom) that said: "If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people".



