53% is somehow an Obama "mandate", but 54% is meaningless?  

bziebarth, I was a carsalesman bout 18 years ago. The cars you wanted to sell were USED. New cars could be compared to identical cars from other dealers but used cars are more unique.Also,many times a dealer will get a trade-in way below what that car was worth. We would get paid a percentage of the net profit and would get bonuses for really ripping someone off. Also, dealers have only received 3.8% of the money owed to them for cash for clunkers.

The Cash for Clunkers program will probably end up hurting car dealers more than helping...

Apparently the government is a deadbeat debtor.

sndcain36, I'm a small business owner who hates BO policies.He actually said he would cut taxes for small business. WHERE ARE ALL U LIBS? WHAT IS OBAMA GOING TO DO FOR SMALL BUSINESS!!!!!!!!!!hE WANTS TO SHUT US DOWN!!!!!!!

For what it's worth, I still think you're all racists!

:P

matersfish, You need you to answer our questions intellegently for us to take you seriously. Calling us racist is just hate speech.

Carson, Mastersfish is kidding. He's referring to the way that many liberals, including House Rep. Clyburn have said opposition to the stimulus is racist.
http://www.newsmax.com/in...

That stimulus of course did absolutely NOTHING for small businesses. When Joe Biden was asked what it did for small businesses all he could do was stammer about how it would help people if there were no roads or bridges leading to their business. You know, because so many people start businesses in areas without roads or bridges leading to them.
http://www.youtube.com/wa...

Taskr, LMAO you gave me quite the giggle.....and people accuse Palin of being stupid?

I have a business idea but I want to start it at the summit of Mt Rainier; do you think I could get some stimulus money to build a road and maybe some snow plows and oxygen tanks....?


Yes, matersfish is most definitely kidding....those us of who said 0bama was bad for small business were chased around mylot being called racists.

Has anyone else noticed that Obamanomics has spent a lot of money taking care of his rich friends first. Everyone else has been told that "the stimulus package hasn't been completely implemented yet". So I guess eventually his attention will "trickle down" to everyone else. '~D

matersfish, Sorry about my comment,I didn't know u were kidding.

Ted, these are the same people who said Reaganomics was a failure...lol

That's because they hate the fact that the longest continuous period of growth in our nation's history was at the hands of a Conservative Republican. They would rather live in a mobile home in tornado alley than admit that. :~D

My My, I thought Obama was all about "change", yet when Obamabots feel defensive, they use the ol' "but what about what Bush did" ploy.

I thought Obama's mandate was to show us how it's done. Apparently "how it's done" is how Bush did it, but "better".

Did you support this bill before you read it? Did you read it? Do you support our elected officials voting to pass bills, even if they have no idea what they are making into law?

I guess the people who will die before the magic year of 2013 don't matter to you do they. Why is it that Obama, Pelosi and Reid wanted this pushed through so quickly? They said it was because people are dying and in need of the care this bill will provide. Yet this bill won't provide a care to a single patient until 2013.

Why don't we come up with a real solution to the problems facing people today, that can be implemented in a matter of months, instead of years?

Bailey, all you brought to the discussion was emotion and blame.

Do you really think anyone here opposes sick people getting medical care? Are you actually paying attention to what's being proposed or are you just being led around by your emotions? Rather than make decisions based on the propaganda why don't you do some research?

This has nothing to do with giving you better healthcare or more choices; this is about the government gaining control of the economy and by extension, you. 0bama is on record as stating he wants single payer system; his healthcare adviser believes in forced abortions and rationing care to those over 65. These things are not rumors; these things have been said and are out there for everyone to see and hear.

Are you serious? Emotion and blame. Maybe you should do your research, everything I mentined above has happened within the past year! With the exception of the sarcasm of course. This country is ruled by Greed! Yes, I believe that people in this forum want people to do without medical care. In the words of some of the earlier posts......"I am responsible for me and you are responsible for you"

I believe that most of the people in here are against our President Barack Obama and will do or say anything to undermine him. Healthcare, the deficit (that was left here by the previous administration), anything and everything.

I READ THE BILL, I have BEEN all OVER the whitehouse web site. I have WATCHED the coverage, I have DONE my RESEARCH......HECK I have even been on the conspiracy theorist web sites. I still BELIEVE that this bill will serve the segment of these United States that have been FORGOTTEN because their annual income is not enough to pay the high price of healthcare. Not enough to pay the insurance companies their cut. I still say God have Mercy on your cold hearts for letting your dislike of one person get in the way of serving your fellow American citizens.

bailey2009, We could just give tax breaks to people who make too much to qualify for medicaid etc. but can't afford health insurance. This is a very small group. In NY you can get a subsidized plan if you make as much as 38K a year for a couple. I currently have no insurance and I have assets that probably could be seized if I get really sick. I would have been better off never buying health insurance my whole life. I would have almost 100k in the bank. I had health insurance for 10 years and didn't use it. With a tax break I can afford a health insurance policy and it won't cost us a zillion dollars to do this. They could even pay for the entire cost of insuring the actual 10-15 million uninsured for about 30 billion a year.

Bailey: Would you have read the bill if Congress had of passed it before they even read it?

Does it bother you in the least that this "reform" wouldn't help a single patient before 2013? do you care?

Does it bother you that this bill puts a union rep on the board? Does it bother you that, even with a union rep, unions are exempt from using it?

Does it bother you that there is a grant ONLY for medical professionals who work for unionized shops and NO ONE else?

Does it bother you that much of this "reform" is already being done by the states, so why the redundancy?

Does it bother you that the CBO report says that this "reform" would actually increase the cost of medical care in the US?

Does it bother you that no alternative health programs are available through this "public option"? Will people on the "public option" be allowed to carry private insurance that DOES cover alternatives?

Does it bother you that Obama has healthcare reform provisions in his "Blueprint for Change", but hasn't once brought it up since he was elected?

Does it bother you that Obama says he supports HR3200, but has no idea what is in it?

Does it bother you that the CBO proves that this "reform" will NOT provide medical coverage to all Americans... in fact, they said that it will cost millions of Americans the insurance they already have?

These aren't the words of some rightwing nutjobs, these are the words of the organization whose job it is to audit and report on the real cost of legislation.


Please answer my questions, I really am interested in reading your answers.

I'm interested in reading those answers too.

And answer this if you would: If America already "spends too much" on healthcare, how is a bill that spends even more and doesn't provide coverage to everyone and in fact takes away coverage from those who already have it a good thing?

And are you going to push to make sure members of congress have to use whatever "public option" they shove down our throats?

And do you think it's right or fair to make the 80% of Americans who are currently happy with their care to change? Can you reconcile government interference in your health care with the Constitution? Are you okay with the government deciding what care you receive? Because if you try to say "that won't happen", you're either lying or misinformed. It's already happening. Do a google search on the Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research. It's a panel of unelected bureaucrats who will make the hard decisions about health care rationing that elected politicians are politically unable to make.

The end result is to slow costly medical advancement and consumption.

And one of the members of this panel is Zeke Emmanuel, who believes in forced abortions and denying health care to those over 65.

One more thing, Bailey...what about democracy? The MAJORITY of the people don't want this reform; should the government ignore the voice of the people when it suits them?

I guess democracy only matters when your guy wins?

Bailey you need a reality check, greed is not I am responsible for me and you are responsible for you. Greed kicks in when you want what is mine.