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myLot reputation of 92/100. sritrinity (199)   ranked 4,206 out of 27,472 in mylot.com 3 years ago

I have looked at the Mylot guidlines and they don't specify.

I used the search box and searched past discussions to try and get the answer but there seems a contradiction.

I want to know if one wants to talk about a piece of news, in order to state the facts properly, can one paste PART of the original news article?

Like for eg. if I want to relay what a person SAID, can I copy the speech from the original news article as long as I give the original link, is this allowed?

1. Some mylotters say PART copying of the article is ok (as long as the link is given.

2. And some say no copying at all is allowed?

Please can someone tell me which one is correct?

Angelie

 

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1. myLot reputation of 86/100. tdemex (2225)   ranked 1,326 out of 27,472 in mylot.com   3 years ago

I think it's after you reach 500 posts you can copy and paste, you can use links as long as it's not for personnel gain! If I'm wrong Mysd, will be here shortly to correct me! wink tdemex


myLot reputation of 95/100. mike197601 (5276)   ranked 201 out of 27,472 in mylot.com  3 years ago

You can use links whenever but before 500 you have to write them in by hand which is a painlol


myLot reputation of 95/100. mysdianait (20654)   ranked 1,265 out of 27,472 in mylot.com  3 years ago

That is RIGHT! wublol

I added a bit more below


myLot reputation of 95/100. mysdianait (20654)   ranked 1,265 out of 27,472 in mylot.com  3 years ago

Mike! confused

You cannot use just any old link.
If it points to anything which will earn for you or someone else it is not allowed.
Links to articles on sites which earn by views are NOT allowed for example just as those to personal blogs are not either.


myLot reputation of 95/100. mike197601 (5276)   ranked 201 out of 27,472 in mylot.com  3 years ago

I meant 'whenever' in the context of using links at any time and not having to reach 500 posts rather than using any type of link.
Obviously the link that you use must be within guidelines.

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2. myLot reputation of 95/100. cobrateacher (4909)   ranked 1,055 out of 27,472 in mylot.com   3 years ago

It's what the cut-and-paste function is all about. As long as sources are well identified, there's no problem at all.

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3. myLot reputation of 95/100. mike197601 (5276)   ranked 201 out of 27,472 in mylot.com   3 years ago

This is my opinion but I am not saying that I am 100% right.

I think that with a speech it is best to copy the first paragraph or so and put it in italics with a link underneath.
When using non original content you should always make sure you make members aware of this and put a link in where possible.

With regard to images that are subject to copyright I think that you shouldn't use them but I will see if I can find more detail on this.


myLot reputation of 95/100. mike197601 (5276)   ranked 201 out of 27,472 in mylot.com  3 years ago

'Copyright Policy. You may not post, modify, distribute, or reproduce in any way any copyrighted material, trademarks, or other proprietary information belonging to others without obtaining the prior written consent of the owner of such proprietary rights. Please refer to our Copyright Policy page for more details.'

http://www.mylot.com/o/terms.aspx

The link to the copyright policy is below

http://www.mylot.com/o/copyright.aspx


myLot reputation of 95/100. mysdianait (20654)   ranked 1,265 out of 27,472 in mylot.com  3 years ago

Why do we distort the Guidelines
to make them suit what we want? surrender


myLot reputation of 95/100. mysdianait (20654)   ranked 1,265 out of 27,472 in mylot.com  3 years ago

Mike pop in further down please to see if I am making sense blush


myLot reputation of 95/100. akuler (2044)   ranked 626 out of 27,472 in mylot.com  3 years ago

I got it now. Thanks mike & mysdianait. So, why we need the "copy and paste"? One after another questionlol.


myLot reputation of 95/100. mysdianait (20654)   ranked 1,265 out of 27,472 in mylot.com  3 years ago

You write your posts on Word
then copy them here.
That way even if myLot does go missing for 7 hours like today
you have lots of posts ready! rasplol


myLot reputation of 95/100. akuler (2044)   ranked 626 out of 27,472 in mylot.com  3 years ago

I should think about it when we can't log-in todayblush.


myLot reputation of 95/100. mysdianait (20654)   ranked 1,265 out of 27,472 in mylot.com  3 years ago

Ehehehehe wink

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4. myLot reputation of 95/100. mysdianait (20654)   ranked 1,265 out of 27,472 in mylot.com   3 years ago

What others say is neither here not there.
It is what we are told in the Guidelines that counts.

It states:
'Don't Post copyrighted articles or photos please link to them. DON’T post copyrighted photos at all.'
http://www.mylot.com/o/guidelines.aspx

It says that in the 'don'ts' at the sixth button from the top.


myLot reputation of 95/100. mike197601 (5276)   ranked 201 out of 27,472 in mylot.com  3 years ago

We gave two different examples w00t


myLot reputation of 95/100. mysdianait (20654)   ranked 1,265 out of 27,472 in mylot.com  3 years ago

Weare talking about discussions here Mike
so I refer to the Guidelines as they are more simplified.
They say the same thing - DON'T copy articles and paste them here!


myLot reputation of 92/100. sritrinity (199)   ranked 4,206 out of 27,472 in mylot.com  3 years ago

Hi Mysdianait, "DON"T post copyright copyrighted articles or photo's please link to them.Don't post copyrighted photo's at all".

This is where I am getting confused, in the first sentence it seems that it's ok to paste copyright articles and photos as long as you link them

But, then in the second sentence it says don't do it all?

I don't get it? Sorry, please explain.

and what if the its PART an article and you link it....is pasting part an article ok?


myLot reputation of 95/100. akuler (2044)   ranked 626 out of 27,472 in mylot.com  3 years ago

I think the second part is about photo. Not articles. Am I right?


myLot reputation of 95/100. mysdianait (20654)   ranked 1,265 out of 27,472 in mylot.com  3 years ago

DON"T post copyrighted articles or photo's please link to them.
Don't post copyrighted photo's at all


Only link to articles and photos
Only post YOUR OWN photos.


is my interpretation.

I am also of the idea that there should be no need to try and find a 'loophole'. I have been here over two years and have never found it necessary to copy even part of an article. I link to it PERIOD.
I very rarely add photos as I have none of my own but I manage to get lots of posts just the same whistle


myLot reputation of 95/100. mike197601 (5276)   ranked 201 out of 27,472 in mylot.com  3 years ago

From all that I have seen it would be ok to copy a paragraph from an article as long as you make members aware of the fact and leave a link.
From reading and following the guidelines to the letter it would seem as if we shouldn't use ANY part of a copyrighted article.
If this is the case then there have been many thousand discussions which have violated the rules.

I would never use a copyright image and wouldn't copy a whole article as this would be cheating.
I have used a small part of an article with a link many times in discussions with no problem...just as many members have.
This probably needs some further investigation.


myLot reputation of 95/100. mike197601 (5276)   ranked 201 out of 27,472 in mylot.com  3 years ago

I am going to try and clarify this point about using a small part of an article as I do know it is common practice here to do this.

The guidelines do say no copyright articles or pictures to be posted and I understand the image part but think the article part needs to be plainly explained.

I will look back at some admin discussions and see if there is anything further there.

I'm not using any part of anything from now on until I am sure about this.


myLot reputation of 95/100. mysdianait (20654)   ranked 1,265 out of 27,472 in mylot.com  3 years ago

Mike wub

"If this is the case then there have been many thousand discussions which have violated the rules." You said it! thumbup

There are so many discussions up that are violating
yet so many users complain that things are removed without cause.
If something goes there WAS cause and when the rest eventually go it will be because there was a cause too.
Just that so often we don't want to see what it was doh


myLot reputation of 95/100. mike197601 (5276)   ranked 201 out of 27,472 in mylot.com  3 years ago

I agree that there are times when a discussion violates the guidelines but we don't see it because it is done all the time.
The bit about using a small ammount of an article could well explain a good many of these deletionshappy


myLot reputation of 92/100. sritrinity (199)   ranked 4,206 out of 27,472 in mylot.com  3 years ago

To Mike, Oh my good word! How vigilant is mylot? I mean if they have let these PART pastings through (with link),doesn't it mean it's ok to do, surely they can't be that blind?

And thank you Mysdianait for the interpretation on the guideline, I had totally misunderstood it.

As you've probably guessed this is my first time on ANY type of discussion forum on the web, I have always been a surfer/reader and never a participator before and so am pretty blind as a bat! It's all alot to intake and sometimes I just assimilate things back to front! Story of my life!

Thank you for your patience.


myLot reputation of 92/100. sritrinity (199)   ranked 4,206 out of 27,472 in mylot.com  3 years ago

ok have just read your responses, they weren't there before, please let me know when you find out.


myLot reputation of 95/100. mysdianait (20654)   ranked 1,265 out of 27,472 in mylot.com  3 years ago

Patience abounds for those willing to make use of the time we spend trying to help.
it is so worthwhile if we can sort things out so that we can all have more fun here thumbup


myLot reputation of 92/100. sritrinity (199)   ranked 4,206 out of 27,472 in mylot.com  3 years ago

and one more thing, just to drum it in my thick skull! If I get permission to use copyright photos from the people concerned, then it's ok to put them up on mylot?


myLot reputation of 95/100. mike197601 (5276)   ranked 201 out of 27,472 in mylot.com  3 years ago

I think it is ok then as you have permissionthumbup

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5. myLot reputation of 95/100. akuler (2044)   ranked 626 out of 27,472 in mylot.com   3 years ago

Hi sritrinity,

It is okey to copy and paste part of the articles if you provided the link. That why they give a copy and paste feature for those who have reach 500th post. Otherwise, there is no point to have that feature.

But if you can use your own words to relate that articles is much better. Just put the link so others can refer it.

Happy mylotting and have a nice day.


myLot reputation of 95/100. mysdianait (20654)   ranked 1,265 out of 27,472 in mylot.com  3 years ago

Please read above.
If many more users did as told and stopped trying to make the Guidelines say what they want them to say....doh


myLot reputation of 95/100. akuler (2044)   ranked 626 out of 27,472 in mylot.com  3 years ago

How about non copyright articlesconfused? Since the guidelines only mention about the copyright one. Or all the articles has copyright? I don't really this copyright thingsurrender. Care to explain?


myLot reputation of 95/100. mysdianait (20654)   ranked 1,265 out of 27,472 in mylot.com  3 years ago

Is there such a thing as a non copyright article?
If I write something it is mine.
If you copy it and call it yours by not placing a link to it then that is plagiarism, an offence.


myLot reputation of 95/100. mike197601 (5276)   ranked 201 out of 27,472 in mylot.com  3 years ago

I'm not sure if there is any such thing as a non copyright article but will be finding out.


myLot reputation of 95/100. akuler (2044)   ranked 626 out of 27,472 in mylot.com  3 years ago

Then why the second sentence only mention about photo? Why not articles and/or photo? I start to confuse here same like sritrinityconfused.


myLot reputation of 95/100. mysdianait (20654)   ranked 1,265 out of 27,472 in mylot.com  3 years ago

Only link to articles and photos
Only post YOUR OWN photos.

is my interpretation.


myLot reputation of 95/100. mike197601 (5276)   ranked 201 out of 27,472 in mylot.com  3 years ago

That does seem to be the case.


myLot reputation of 95/100. akuler (2044)   ranked 626 out of 27,472 in mylot.com  3 years ago

I can understand about photo since the second sentence clear it out. But that sentence didn't mention about the articles.


myLot reputation of 95/100. mike197601 (5276)   ranked 201 out of 27,472 in mylot.com  3 years ago

If you look at the bit of the policy that I used in my response it seems to say not to use any copyright thing without permission.
I have always used small parts of an article so will be checking about this when I get the time.


myLot reputation of 95/100. mysdianait (20654)   ranked 1,265 out of 27,472 in mylot.com  3 years ago

WHEN IN DOUBT - LEAVE IT OUT wink

offline too rolleyes


myLot reputation of 95/100. akuler (2044)   ranked 626 out of 27,472 in mylot.com  3 years ago

Thanks for both of you. I got it. Never use it unless you write it yourself and never being published.I think I have taken sritrinity place herelol. So I should expected one of my discussion being deleted sooncry.


myLot reputation of 95/100. mike197601 (5276)   ranked 201 out of 27,472 in mylot.com  3 years ago

This is what the guidelines appear to say but I will see if I can find out more as I have always used the C&P like this with no problems.


myLot reputation of 92/100. sritrinity (199)   ranked 4,206 out of 27,472 in mylot.com  3 years ago

Please also clarify what exactly is the copy and paste function for then? Not that I've got it yet? But whilst were here then.....


myLot reputation of 95/100. akuler (2044)   ranked 626 out of 27,472 in mylot.com  3 years ago

Please read mydianait answer on mike response.

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6. myLot reputation of 100/100. PeacefulWmn9 (3480)   ranked 1,214 out of 27,472 in mylot.com   3 years ago

happy Hello there :) Once you reach 500 (it will show after your name up there) then you can copy and paste quotes or news articles or links, but not to personal or "click sites" from which you earn.

You can, however, post a personal link in your mylot profile :))thumbup

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7. myLot reputation of 94/100. dpk262006 (11877)   ranked 380 out of 27,472 in mylot.com   3 years ago

Hi Dear!happy
I think you being new, therefore, you could certainly raise this issue. However, no copying of any news item is allowed, as per the guidelines.I've seen some users posting discussions, based on news items, but they do mention the sources and links, otherwise, there are chances that discussion might be deleted due to violation of rules. I would advice you to be original and use your own draft to discuss any news item and you may give the link alongwith your post.
All the best to you.

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8. myLot reputation of 97/100. LetranKnight25 (11773)   ranked 177 out of 27,472 in mylot.com   3 years ago

thumbupIt's a good you have opened it up for every one. well, what I've told you last night was true. just to play it safe just don't copy at least part of that discussion in the site that you were discussing. links are ok as long as you have type your own words. i don't know about my friend friend and mysdianait who seems to be confused toorasp. but for me that's what i stand and don't copy their photos too from that site..last night what you did was word for word with out the links at all..so, be careful with that..thumbup


myLot reputation of 92/100. sritrinity (199)   ranked 4,206 out of 27,472 in mylot.com  3 years ago

LetranKnight i feel you are mistaken that my posts were WORD for WORD.

I have typed in the links below each of three discussions now, please go and check.

Please show me how they are word for word.

Some descriptive Key words and some speech has been copied, but I don't agree that the ENTIRE post is word for word as I made it a point to mix things up and only take main points out of the original fuller articles.

I have checked many times now and am truly confused and also hurt.




myLot reputation of 97/100. LetranKnight25 (11773)   ranked 177 out of 27,472 in mylot.com  3 years ago

sadAwwww am so I am very sorry about that.it's up to you to defend it, am no moderator you know, just trying to help out.well, make sure you do good about it.well, you did good actually, i hope others don't see it differently.your choicethumbup

i won't actually talk bout it anymore..you know what you did.

i am just trying to help

so, have they responded to those other topics of yours..omg am really sleepy..


myLot reputation of 97/100. LetranKnight25 (11773)   ranked 177 out of 27,472 in mylot.com  3 years ago

uh..for safety measures, if you want don't copy any sentence from the website..i may have been wrong but word for word..but for me, am just being cautious..il just look at those topics of yours if i have time.have you read the rules already?you know given in the link??.


myLot reputation of 97/100. LetranKnight25 (11773)   ranked 177 out of 27,472 in mylot.com  3 years ago

glaredammit am wrong..in some parts of what i said,anyways.cry.yeah just here to apologize and have a great day

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